I'll be posting another picture later on of this vehicle, one from a wider view, that may indeed shock some of you!
So, put on your thinking/guessing caps and give us a reply.
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Kencelot
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:13 AM UTC
I came upon this photo (below) while surfing through some of my references. Without going into detail of when, where, and what it is, I would really appreciate it if any of you informed individuals would be so kind as to take a guess/conjecture as to what it is. This way my suspicions will be fully confirmed.
I'll be posting another picture later on of this vehicle, one from a wider view, that may indeed shock some of you!
So, put on your thinking/guessing caps and give us a reply.
I'll be posting another picture later on of this vehicle, one from a wider view, that may indeed shock some of you!
So, put on your thinking/guessing caps and give us a reply.
thebear
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:17 AM UTC
Looks like an LVT2 to me ...that's the .50 sticking up there .I think 
At least it is an LVT anyways ...
Rick
At least it is an LVT anyways ...Rick
PvtParts
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:18 AM UTC
hi Ken...my guess is an LVT....do I win??
Mech-Maniac
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:35 AM UTC
and i too agree (LVT)
tazz
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 11:54 AM UTC
its a LVT
3442
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 12:05 PM UTC
same here, cant imagine anything else, so it has to be an lvt
Kencelot
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:43 PM UTC
For everyone who said it was an LVT, you are correct.
Now, here's the incredible part, at least to me it's incredible!
Take a good look at the picture below, and tell me where the picture is taken.
If you guessed that it is from Normandy, you are absolutely correct!
Now, tell me. How many honestly knew that the LVT was there? Honestly now.
For me, this blows all other info that I have heard and read that the LVTs did not take part in any Normandy landings out of the water.
Just out of curiosity, how many think that this is significant?
Now, here's the incredible part, at least to me it's incredible!
Take a good look at the picture below, and tell me where the picture is taken.
If you guessed that it is from Normandy, you are absolutely correct!
Now, tell me. How many honestly knew that the LVT was there? Honestly now.
For me, this blows all other info that I have heard and read that the LVTs did not take part in any Normandy landings out of the water.
Just out of curiosity, how many think that this is significant?
Hollowpoint
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 01:48 PM UTC
Is it significant? Only if you can tell WHEN it is, not just WHERE it is, IMHO. D+?
We know they brought LVTs in later for river crossings, most notably the Rhine.
We know they brought LVTs in later for river crossings, most notably the Rhine.
PorkChop
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:21 PM UTC
6/6/44 judging by the Barrage balloon in the back ground and the fact you asked the question.
Scunge
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:33 PM UTC
how can you tell on either the location or the time?
Kencelot
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:34 PM UTC
I would have no idea exactly when but, looking at the video I got it from, it does not appear to be too long after D-Day. My first guess was just a few days to a week after. ?
Any way, I got the clip from the show titled "Secrets of the Dead" from the public broadcast channel WLRN here in So. Florida. The description of the show: Program Information
If you like, I made a small excerpt from the movie in the order it was was orignally shown. If you have Quicktime you can watch/download the clip HERE
Let me know what you think. If quicktime is not for you, let me know and i can convert it to Media Player.
Any way, I got the clip from the show titled "Secrets of the Dead" from the public broadcast channel WLRN here in So. Florida. The description of the show: Program Information
If you like, I made a small excerpt from the movie in the order it was was orignally shown. If you have Quicktime you can watch/download the clip HERE
Let me know what you think. If quicktime is not for you, let me know and i can convert it to Media Player.
SEDimmick
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 02:36 PM UTC
Quoted Text
For everyone who said it was an LVT, you are correct.
Now, here's the incredible part, at least to me it's incredible!
Take a good look at the picture below, and tell me where the picture is taken.
If you guessed that it is from Normandy, you are absolutely correct!
Now, tell me. How many honestly knew that the LVT was there? Honestly now.
For me, this blows all other info that I have heard and read that the LVTs did not take part in any Normandy landings out of the water.
Just out of curiosity, how many think that this is significant?
They have a LVT Wreck at one of the beaches at Normandy when I visited there back in 1997. Doesn't suprise me at all
jimbrae
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 07:06 PM UTC
Any way that this can be tied down to location and time? Now, lets go back a bit and just consider two things. The soldier in the pic is useful, obviously an American. Now which of the two beaches? As for time/date, I will certainly stick my neck out and say that I DON'T think it's D + 0 on Omaha... A truly facinating thread, Thanks Ken!
greatbrit
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 08:05 PM UTC
fantastic descovery ken,
im curious, whats the vehicle in the background? it looks like it could be a bulldozer or something from the tracks.
from the relaxed poses of the troops and barrage balloons, i would say the footage is from a few days after d-day at least.
from my references LVT's were first used in NW europe for the rhine crossings, my references refer to british 79th armoured vehicles with polstens, im unsure if the americans used them also.
cheers
joe
im curious, whats the vehicle in the background? it looks like it could be a bulldozer or something from the tracks.
from the relaxed poses of the troops and barrage balloons, i would say the footage is from a few days after d-day at least.
from my references LVT's were first used in NW europe for the rhine crossings, my references refer to british 79th armoured vehicles with polstens, im unsure if the americans used them also.
cheers
joe
Kencelot
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:13 PM UTC
Jim, it's definetly at least a few days/weeks after the initial landings. What stikes me as odd and facinating is that one would even be here this early (again, this all really depends on when this picture/movie was taken). I do know that there were some in England at the time and I do know that the British used them. The earlest 'official' picture I have of an LVT in the ETO was taken in August '44.
Could this movie really have been shot that late after D-Day?
Joe, the vehicle in the back ground looks like/is a Caterpillar D7.
Could this movie really have been shot that late after D-Day?
Joe, the vehicle in the back ground looks like/is a Caterpillar D7.
greatbrit
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Posted: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 10:31 PM UTC
ken,
i agree about the D6, i have a kit of the british armoured cab version, and the one in the picture looks the same.
does anyone know which units may have used them? its definately not a british LVT, these were armed with polsten cannons and would have unit markings on the front hull.
cheers
joe
i agree about the D6, i have a kit of the british armoured cab version, and the one in the picture looks the same.
does anyone know which units may have used them? its definately not a british LVT, these were armed with polsten cannons and would have unit markings on the front hull.
cheers
joe
MadMeex
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:41 AM UTC
LVTs were used extensively in Normandy for river crossings, and during Operation Veritable, where they were able to maneuver in the flooded lowlands after the Germans opened the dikes.
Mika
Mika
greatbrit
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 12:45 AM UTC
madmeex,
where can i find out more about that? the first references i have to them in NW europe is british use in holland, in august 1944, where they were used to cross areas flooded when dykes were destroyed
cheers
joe
where can i find out more about that? the first references i have to them in NW europe is british use in holland, in august 1944, where they were used to cross areas flooded when dykes were destroyed
cheers
joe
Kencelot
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 01:24 AM UTC
Quoted Text
LVTs were used extensively in Normandy for river crossings, and during Operation Veritable, where they were able to maneuver in the flooded lowlands after the Germans opened the dikes.
Mika
Look, I know that LVTs were used in the ETO. My question or should I say my surprise came when I saw the pic above which is certainly within a couple weeks of the initial landings.
Operation Veritable took place in Febuary of '45. Eight months after D-Day. The pic above is from a much sooner time than that.
Golikell
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 02:02 AM UTC
why couldn't this be on a Pacific island? They surely used barrage ballons there? And those documentary makers more often than not mix up clips of footage just to show something! 
PvtParts
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 08:54 AM UTC
Im by no means an expert..I dont recall ever seeing the barrage balloons in the Pacific, Also the beach looks to be way to wide. My 1 cent there. 
sniperwolf
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 09:21 AM UTC
I remember when they were talking about the Japanese in 1941, they showed a clip of a PZ 2 going through a puddle deep as its hull in Poland (which is what I am making a dio of currently)... anything for a good looking montage of clips
kglack43
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 09:52 AM UTC
Here's my guess...D-Day June 15, 1944 the Island of Saipan was attacked by the United States 2nd and 4th Marine Divisions, who landed along the western lagoon of Saipan. Two days later, the U.S. Army 27th Infantry Division landed in support of the invasion and fought along the eastern half of Saipan.
not in France...
You asked about the Time?
looks like 12:30 PM
not in France...
You asked about the Time?
looks like 12:30 PM
PvtParts
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 10:11 AM UTC
Dont want to start a war on this but I dont believe it to be Saipan as the beaches there are way to narrow where landings took place. 
kglack43
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Posted: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 10:23 AM UTC
No war Private Parts...but after researching the web..nothing really backs my original claim for any use in the Pacific Theater but, Ii found that the balloons were brought in on the third wave at Normandy...after they failed in an attempt against a non exhistent german airforce...the german artillery used them to pinpoint the ship's locations that they were cabeled to. Once the yanks figured that out, the were cut loose and set adrift.
Another thing that was throwing me off to begin with was the color image...rarely do you see color of the invasion...
found a cool site while searching....
http://www.skylighters.org/barrageballoons/index.html
Another thing that was throwing me off to begin with was the color image...rarely do you see color of the invasion...
found a cool site while searching....
http://www.skylighters.org/barrageballoons/index.html
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