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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Africa tiger colours?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 04:48 AM UTC
Here is the picture that I was talking about. This color photograph shows that the this Tunisian Tiger I is green not Sand Brown (Ral 8020). Field Green is not the exact color, maybe a mix of different greens is needed to match the appropiate colour. Also this photo is very old (1942 - 43) and the real green can´t be appreciated here.

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/dak/dak/tiger.htm



Te following text was extracted from the page that can be found in the next link:

"The first Tigers issued to front line units during mid-1942 were delivered in overall Dark Grey (RAL 7027). In the Winter of 1942-43, washable White paint was used as camouflage in snow-covered areas. The Tigers of sPzAbt.501 , which deployed to Africa during late 1942, were camouflaged in Desert Brown (RAL 8020) and while Dark Gray was authorized to be used as a second color in a disruptive camouflage pattern, there is no evidence that sPzAbt.501 ever painted their vehicles in this manner. In the more temperate climate of coastal Tunisia, many of the tanks of sPzAbt.501 were oversprayed with Olive Green (RAL 7008) to enhance their camouflage."

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers.htm

For those interested in RAL colours here you will find a Conversion Table:

http://miniatures.de/html/int/colour-ral-farben.html



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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 11:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Here is the picture that I was talking about. This color photograph shows that the this Tunisian Tiger I is green not Sand Brown (Ral 8020). Field Green is not the exact color, maybe a mix of different greens is needed to match the appropiate colour. Also this photo is very old (1942 - 43) and the real green can´t be appreciated here.

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/dak/dak/tiger.htm



Te following text was extracted from the page that can be found in the next link:

"The first Tigers issued to front line units during mid-1942 were delivered in overall Dark Grey (RAL 7027). In the Winter of 1942-43, washable White paint was used as camouflage in snow-covered areas. The Tigers of sPzAbt.501 , which deployed to Africa during late 1942, were camouflaged in Desert Brown (RAL 8020) and while Dark Gray was authorized to be used as a second color in a disruptive camouflage pattern, there is no evidence that sPzAbt.501 ever painted their vehicles in this manner. In the more temperate climate of coastal Tunisia, many of the tanks of sPzAbt.501 were oversprayed with Olive Green (RAL 7008) to enhance their camouflage."

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers.htm

For those interested in RAL colours here you will find a Conversion Table:

http://miniatures.de/html/int/colour-ral-farben.html






Interesting picture, have never seen that one. Definitely not a Tunisian Tiger, and IMHO, definitely not green. Looks RAL Braun to me, maybe on a longshot Dunkelgelb, but not green. Old pictures can be tricky, lighting, and film all that, but that one is real nice, and it (to my eyes) is clearly RAL Braun. Check out the blue (very enhanced) in the sky and the brush which should appear yellower but is very bluish green. Also, check out the side fenders and other areas of the tank that are in bright sunlight, definitely tan/yellow, not green...

I know that this has been claimed in the past, but I just still haven't seen anything to convince me that the Olive was ever used for anything other than camoflauge, like on the Bovington Tiger.

Your opinions (which are valued) may vary, batteries not included...

Best,

Scott Gentry
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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 01:07 PM UTC
How accurate is this picture as far as color? When looking on the DAK website, you can clearly tell that many photos have been colorized. There are several original color ones on the site along with B&W. Am I being too skeptical about the origins of this photo?

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/dak/dak/tiger.htm
didiumus
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Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 06:53 PM UTC

Quoted Text

How accurate is this picture as far as color? When looking on the DAK website, you can clearly tell that many photos have been colorized. There are several original color ones on the site along with B&W. Am I being too skeptical about the origins of this photo?

http://cosmos.oninetspeed.pt/dak/dak/tiger.htm



Yeah, good call. Even if the photo hasn't been colorized, you still have the variables of film, exposure, scanning, printing processes, etc... Photos can be altered by a million different things. I still think the photo doesn't look too bad, but I still also think it looks spot on like the RAL braun.

Scott Gentry
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