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diff btwn M109 and Paladin?
blaster76
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 09:30 PM UTC
I guess title says it all. How difficult is it to change out Paladin to an older 109, and would I want too? Might have found an old 109 kit, we'll see if some skunk outbids me for it
Sabot
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Posted: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 - 11:29 PM UTC
Paladin (aka M109A6) uses a different turret than the M109-M109A5 kits. What version are you trying to build?
mikeli125
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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 01:27 AM UTC
didnt maxbox do an older version of the 109? seen a few kits still around
Sabot
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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 02:10 AM UTC
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Yes, Revell of Germany reboxed one of the Italeri M108/109 kits in a Matchbox package back when they held the rights to the Matchbox name. Regardless of whether you buy the kit in an Italeri, Testors, Revell of Germany or Matchbox box, you basically get the same kit with just a mold swap of specific parts to make the version you bought.didnt maxbox do an older version of the 109? seen a few kits still around
It is a decent kit, I have the M108, M109, M109A1/A2 and M109A6 all in various boxings.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Thursday, June 10, 2004 - 02:31 AM UTC
Sabot has it right, you would have to build an entire new turret to backdate an M109A6 to eny earlier version. The Italeri,and all its reboxes are really good kits. They can still be found pretty easily too. Here are a few photos to show the differences.
M109A2/3
M109A6 Paladin
M109A2/3
M109A6 Paladin
Mech-Maniac
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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2004 - 06:26 AM UTC
sorry to change the subject, but is that a trailor the paladin is pulling (one with the .50 cal on it) if it is a trailor, whats in it?? dont they carry enough ammo
Sabot
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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2004 - 06:37 AM UTC
That's not a trailer, that is an M992A2 FAASV or Field Artillery Ammunition Support Vehicle. It is based on the same chassis and looks like a Paladin without a gun tube (no turret, fixed superstructure). It carries ammo for the Paladin. You can never have enough howitzer ammo handy.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Friday, June 11, 2004 - 09:14 AM UTC
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how different are the interiors of the M109 and M109A6 Paladin? There are two kits to build the turret-interior and hull-interior into a M109 but are these suitable for a M109A6 too?
Interior of the hull is pretty much the same layout. The turret is very different. The reason for the larger turret is to protect the crew. Certain items that were formely inside the turret like the hydrolic motors and recpurator system, are now on the outer compartments of the turret. The turret also carries more ammo in the rear ammo storage area. I believe the turret sets you talk about are for the M109A2/3 version. Here is a site with photos of the M109A2/3 Howitzer
Here is a review of interior sets by . Warriors Models
Sabot
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 05:49 AM UTC
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Gino,
Thanks for the link.
I did see the review before, good looking sets.
Do you know if the M109 - M109A6 Paladin and M992 FAASV share the same tracks?
If so I can use the AFV Club (former Skybow) set for both.
Gr,
Marcel
Yes, the tracks remain the same. I do think that the German version of the M109 *may* use a different set of tracks, but I am not sure.
Vodnik
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 07:39 AM UTC
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Yes, the tracks remain the same. I do think that the German version of the M109 *may* use a different set of tracks, but I am not sure.
Rob, I'm afraid that is not quite true. AFAIK M108, older M992 and all variants of M109 up to and including version M109A5 used T136 tracks, as those available from AFV Club (ex-Skybow). But M109A6 Paladin and M992A2 FAASV use newer T154 tracks - they are similar to T136, but not the same. Unfortunately there are no aftermarket T154 track available and Italeri provided old T134 tracks in their Paladin kit.
Germans indeed use completely different Diehl tracks on their M109s.
T136:
T154:
Pawel
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 04:56 PM UTC
In 1/35 scale, the difference in the T-136 and T-154 tracks is not really noticable. The Italeri kits (including Paladin) all come with the T-136 track and it looks fine on them. It would look fine on the FAASV that goes with them too. I have wanted to build a FAASV for a while too. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a conversion kit offered for one yet. I may have to start one soon since you have my interrest peaked.
blaster76
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Posted: Saturday, June 12, 2004 - 10:58 PM UTC
Thanks for info. I pretty much want to do the early verson so I'll try to get the OOP kit. Some skunk outbid me for the one I bid on, but I may try sniping later today to get it back 
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 05:13 AM UTC
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In 1/35 scale, the difference in the T-136 and T-154 tracks is not really noticable. The Italeri kits (including Paladin) all come with the T-136 track and it looks fine on them. It would look fine on the FAASV that goes with them too. I have wanted to build a FAASV for a while too. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a conversion kit offered for one yet. I may have to start one soon since you have my interrest peaked.
Howdy fellas,
Well, I must admit. This FAASV talk has got to me as well. You say it's almost completely based upon the regular M109 chassis huh?..........
Need to ref-surf this thing a wee bit more........
l8tr......gone surfing.
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 06:06 AM UTC
Howdy fellas,
Found a few interesting pics(you guys have probably already seen them, so induldge me
). The first one (below), is a cutaway of the interior of the vehicle.....hih.
Tread.
Found a few interesting pics(you guys have probably already seen them, so induldge me
). The first one (below), is a cutaway of the interior of the vehicle.....hih. Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 06:14 AM UTC
And, apparently, the vehicle comes in at least a couple of configurations and duties.
First, what I assume is it's primary configuration:
Then, it also comes an engineering vehicle (good idea):
And is obviously quite capable at it's job:
Yeah, I know. The vehicle being rescued is not really stuck that much, but, the 109 has to weight a Ton! (pardon the pun
).
Tread.
First, what I assume is it's primary configuration:
Then, it also comes an engineering vehicle (good idea):
And is obviously quite capable at it's job:
Yeah, I know. The vehicle being rescued is not really stuck that much, but, the 109 has to weight a Ton! (pardon the pun
).Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 06:20 AM UTC
Got another good one:
Tread.
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 07:47 AM UTC
This one's for all you M109 fans out there!
If this image doesn't raise the enemies 'pucker' factor a few notches.....nuthin' will.
enjoy...
Tread.
If this image doesn't raise the enemies 'pucker' factor a few notches.....nuthin' will.
enjoy...
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 07:50 AM UTC
And here's a schematic of the Paladin. Maybe there's something here to help discern the differences....
hath.
Tread.
hath.
Tread.
Sabot
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 09:42 AM UTC
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Actually, the carrier is resupplying the howitzer, and the crane is a materiel handling crane versus a recovery crane.And, apparently, the vehicle comes in at least a couple of configurations and duties.
And is obviously quite capable at it's job:
Yeah, I know. The vehicle being rescued is not really stuck that much, but, the 109 has to weight a Ton! (pardon the pun
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, June 13, 2004 - 10:00 AM UTC
...isn't that what I said?......oops, apparently not. I was being too 'creative' with my interpretation. Thx for the gentle 'kick' in the noggin Rob.
I stand corrected.
Tread.
{ya know, if I'd taken the time to look at the pics I posted, I'd have noticed the wee conveyor system in the blow-up schematic......my repayment for trying to squeeze in too many things during a 'Honey-Do' day.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 03:16 PM UTC
Tread,
As for the below version with the crane, it was never accepted by the US Army. We use the standard version without the crane. Also, the conveyor belt for rounds is usually removed by the crews. It takes up too much space, is too slow (a well trained 13B can hand carry rounds quicker), and usually breaks down.
As for the below version with the crane, it was never accepted by the US Army. We use the standard version without the crane. Also, the conveyor belt for rounds is usually removed by the crews. It takes up too much space, is too slow (a well trained 13B can hand carry rounds quicker), and usually breaks down.
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