how to paint camouflage with that 'faded' look with a paintbrush?
is it possible or impossible?
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Painting faded camouflage

SpiritsEye

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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 07:54 PM UTC

shonen_red

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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 08:52 PM UTC
Try adding a little white on the paint.


DaveCox

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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 08:53 PM UTC
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how to paint camouflage with that 'faded' look with a paintbrush?
is it possible or impossible?
It's very possible - lighten the base colour. I usually use a sand colour for this, but I know that others use white. Just a couple of shades is enough.

SpiritsEye

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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 10:34 PM UTC
thanks for a speedy reply guys!
cheers!
cheers!


jw73

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Posted: Thursday, June 17, 2004 - 10:35 PM UTC
Try Tamiya xf-57.

SpiritsEye

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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2004 - 02:28 AM UTC
thanks again
one more question
which one is better? mixing the camo' colour with buff(XF57) or white(XF1?), which gives a more realistic 'faded' effect?
thanks for your time
one more question
which one is better? mixing the camo' colour with buff(XF57) or white(XF1?), which gives a more realistic 'faded' effect?
thanks for your time


DaveCox

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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2004 - 02:51 AM UTC
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which one is better? mixing the camo' colour with buff(XF57) or white(XF1?), which gives a more realistic 'faded' effect?
Most camouflage paint, certainly olive drab and khaki drab, used yellow ochre in the pigments, therefore when they fade they take on a more brownish hue, hence using buff or sand colours to lighten them.

jackhammer81

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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2004 - 03:05 AM UTC
SpiritsEye, if you go to page 2 in my gallery there is a king tiger that i just lightened the base color up and faded, faded it with a brush as well so have a look if it may help you. Cheers Kevin

the_unborn
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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2004 - 07:05 AM UTC
What is better, to paint the faded camo or to fade the camo when it is already painted?

DaveCox

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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2004 - 07:17 AM UTC
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What is better, to paint the faded camo or to fade the camo when it is already painted?
Other will no doubt have their own opinion here, but I always use a faded colour as the base coat, after all the paint - faded or not- is under the dirt, dust etc that is painted on over the top when the vehicle is weathered.

SpiritsEye

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Posted: Friday, June 18, 2004 - 05:21 PM UTC
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SpiritsEye, if you go to page 2 in my gallery there is a king tiger that i just lightened the base color up and faded, faded it with a brush as well so have a look if it may help you. Cheers Kevin
that big cat is real nice
you guys are really helpful!


SpiritsEye

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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 04:15 PM UTC
hi
i use flat brown(XF-10)... i lightened it up with buff(XF-57) and it turned out to be purplish colour when it dried!! well, it looks between brown and purple...i'm not sure
is flat brown the correct colour to use? i heard its red brown or something...but the colour i used look 'right' without lightening
i use flat brown(XF-10)... i lightened it up with buff(XF-57) and it turned out to be purplish colour when it dried!! well, it looks between brown and purple...i'm not sure
is flat brown the correct colour to use? i heard its red brown or something...but the colour i used look 'right' without lightening

beachbum

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Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 02:17 PM UTC
I'm no expert on fading colors but did you dilute the paint you are using? If your'e using acrylics it has to be super diluted and likewise with oils coz the faded color be it buff or the base color with white has to be diluted like a wash.
It's a bit more trickier since you are using a paintbrush as the super diluted mixture may collect around the seams. Try and make the surface your'e painting horizontal by moving the model around. Several coats and a lot of patience are highly recommended rather than ne thick coat especially with a paint brush which is what I use.
I might be off but I'm guessing the funny color you got maybe due to thick a coat. Even colors other than the basecoat when applied as a wash has a subtle effect on modifying the base camo depending on the number of coats, how diluted the mix was and how opposite it is on the color wheel.
Hope this doesn't make it more frustrating for you.
It's a bit more trickier since you are using a paintbrush as the super diluted mixture may collect around the seams. Try and make the surface your'e painting horizontal by moving the model around. Several coats and a lot of patience are highly recommended rather than ne thick coat especially with a paint brush which is what I use.
I might be off but I'm guessing the funny color you got maybe due to thick a coat. Even colors other than the basecoat when applied as a wash has a subtle effect on modifying the base camo depending on the number of coats, how diluted the mix was and how opposite it is on the color wheel.
Hope this doesn't make it more frustrating for you.

SpiritsEye

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Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 11:44 PM UTC
thanks for the reply
i did dilute the paint..i dilute it to about 40% thinner 60% paint (roughly)
without direct light hitting on the vehicle, it looks brownish..but with direct light, well it looks purplish!
too bad i cant get hold of a cam right now, else i could show it to you guys...drat!
i did dilute the paint..i dilute it to about 40% thinner 60% paint (roughly)
without direct light hitting on the vehicle, it looks brownish..but with direct light, well it looks purplish!
too bad i cant get hold of a cam right now, else i could show it to you guys...drat!


beachbum

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Posted: Thursday, July 01, 2004 - 05:29 PM UTC
I maybe off but I think your dilution is still too concentrated. I usually use a 1:10 or more dilution (paint:water) for acrylics and paint several coats after each one has dried throughly. I believe for oils its roughly the same dilution as you would with a wash. The oil experts here are better reference as I don't use oils much.
Fading is very subtle gradation of colors. The purple tint you see maybe the faded color interacting with your base color because the faded color you applied was semi-translucent being diluted. Furthermore you have to be extra careful since you use a paintbrush because the paint does'nt always spready evenly. I know coz I use paintbrushes almost exclusively.
Fading is very subtle gradation of colors. The purple tint you see maybe the faded color interacting with your base color because the faded color you applied was semi-translucent being diluted. Furthermore you have to be extra careful since you use a paintbrush because the paint does'nt always spready evenly. I know coz I use paintbrushes almost exclusively.

SpiritsEye

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Posted: Monday, July 05, 2004 - 12:36 AM UTC
one more question here thats kinda bugging me
i know there are all types of brown (flat brown, red brown etc) but what brown do you guys use on a german tank as camouflage?
can you guys also include the brand of the paint thanks
do you people also use different brands of paints on a single tank? like green from Tamiya, brown from Model Master and yellow from Gunze etc
i know there are all types of brown (flat brown, red brown etc) but what brown do you guys use on a german tank as camouflage?
can you guys also include the brand of the paint thanks
do you people also use different brands of paints on a single tank? like green from Tamiya, brown from Model Master and yellow from Gunze etc

warthog

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Posted: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 - 12:47 PM UTC
The brown color depends on the location or where the tank was used. IMO if in Africa -Flat brown and in Europe - Red Brown.
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