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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 03:56 PM UTC
Hi all,
I consider my self to know a bit about Shermans. But as I was reading time lifes book on the Battle of the Bulge ( very good book) I came upon this
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Leading the way were five Cobra Kings, the new 40 ton Shermans
Now what the heck is a Cobra king Sherman?
I was thinking maybe it was the M4A3E8? But Knowing me I am probaly not even close lol. Can some one please help me?
TIA
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 04:39 PM UTC
"Cobra King" was the name of the Sherman from the 4th Armored that is credited with being the first into Bastogne during the relief of the city in the "Battle of the Bulge."
I believe it was an M4A3E2 "Jumbo" -- this may be the type of tank the author is referring to.
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 05:28 PM UTC
Thanks for that Bob, I am really interested because I have never seen The Jumbo reffered to in this way. Do you have or know of any Pics of the Sherman "cobra king" from the 4th AD?
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 05:40 PM UTC
I have some in books, but my scanner is toasted.
I know there is something on the web, but my Googles have come up with no pics. If you type in "Cobra King" you get pics of snakes and cars. Add "Bastogne" and things get better. Might want to check on ML. I think Steve Zaloga built Cobra King at some point.
I remember the pic -- Cobra King had chalk writing on it "First in Bastogne!" and such ... wish I could find it online.
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 05:46 PM UTC
Here you go. Look closely under the word Bastogne.
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 05:50 PM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 05:57 PM UTC
Thanks, Ken!
I knew someone had it ... should have thought of you first.
BTW, look at the shiny bare metal on the idler wheel -- lots of folks miss that when modeling a Sherman or any other tank with metal idler or road wheels.
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 06:07 PM UTC
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BTW, look at the shiny bare metal on the idler wheel -- lots of folks miss that when modeling a Sherman or any other tank with metal idler or road wheels.
I swear by all that is holy that I was going to mention that to all those unfortunate enough to paint it black like the road wheels!
Also what is noticeable is the engine access door stop on the real upper hull. It's not often seen in many photos.
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 07:49 PM UTC
Thank you so much Bob and Ken,
That is a great help I just wish I had seen that photo before I built my Jumbo a couple of weeks ago. :-)
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Posted: Saturday, June 26, 2004 - 09:45 PM UTC
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I just wish I had seen that photo before I built my Jumbo a couple of weeks ago. :-)
Just build another one using the experience gained from the one you built a couple of weeks ago. Can never have too many Sherms!
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 11:25 AM UTC
after reading about this Cobra King Sherman.
i went to my hobby shop and i had the store owner.
put one a side for me.
i have to pick it up tuesday lol.
but how good is it the tamyia Cobra King Sherman
aka jumbo sherman.
i opned the box on mine its looks good,
iam geting mine for 12 dollars because its open.
but the all the parts are sealed
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Posted: Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 03:38 PM UTC
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Can never have too many Sherms!
Very true Ken! Iam in a bit of a dilema I don't know wether to get another Jumbo or get Academys M-18 at the same price.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 12:05 AM UTC
Tazz:
We had this discussio0n about a month ago. It should help answer your questions:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/30402&page=1 Bob K
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 03:54 AM UTC
thanks bob i kinda for got about the talk about the jumbo sherman.but iam just building out of the box.
so it will be ok for me
thanks fo posting that stuff about the sherman jumbo
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 04:19 AM UTC
Here's the colour illustration you might have been looking for......I didn't know it was referred to as a "Cobra King"....but the .jpg is even entitled that.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 04:33 AM UTC
I was looking at the chalked words on this tank when I noticed that the writer nearly forgot to spell "Bastogne" without the 'G'. You can make out where he started to write 'N' under the 'G'.
I can see one of the crew yelling out to correct him.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 06:59 AM UTC
Did anyone else notice why we should never use drawing as a reference?? They didn't draw the right kind of wheels ..You'd think it was quite obvious but....
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 02:36 PM UTC
S Zaloga says that the M4A3E2 was rarely called the "Jumbo".
Have a read here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=47208&messageid=1088458318Just to be succinct, "Cobra King" was the nickname of ONE vehicle and not a type of Sherman. It seems from some of the posts that this isn't clear.
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Posted: Monday, June 28, 2004 - 05:03 PM UTC
Thanks for the help fellas some good information has been brought up in the dicussion. I think I may go for the Hellcat or get Academys M4A2 and build it as NZ tank in Italy
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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 - 04:26 AM UTC
Andy I don't think you can build that M4A2 as a NZ tank as it is a late with a 76mm gun and from what I read so far ..only the Russians used them during the war.
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