This site is a godsend for modelers but I now have three file folders full of techniques on painting, weathering etc. How do you choose which to use? I ma thinking I'll go with the most basic and if it works perfect it. But part of me wants to try a different technique on every model.
DO I become a specialist or generalist? What do you guys do?
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tons of techniques which to choose?
godfather
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:39 AM UTC
m1garand
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:42 AM UTC
Try different techniques and get a feel for what works best for you. Not every technique will work for you. Find the ones that do and practice and perfect them.
Kaboom
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:50 AM UTC
Your right about the site. I print out all the stuff I want to save and file it in a binder. As for the many ways of doing just about everything, experiment. I use the airplane models my sons "shot down" that were hanging from the ceiling. You can also buy "cheapie" kits to practice on before you ruin a really nice kit.
Mark
Mark
SS-74
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:51 AM UTC
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Try different techniques and get a feel for what works best for you. Not every technique will work for you. Find the ones that do and practice and perfect them.
It's true, try one that you feel most comfortable with. Master the technic, don't let technics confuse or master you.
TreadHead
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 11:23 AM UTC
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Try different techniques and get a feel for what works best for you. Not every technique will work for you. Find the ones that do and practice and perfect them.
As usual M1 has it right. The old saying "different strokes for different folks" really applies in modeling. For example, you may not have the patience for anything other than acrylics when it comes to painting your model kit. And oil washes may feel like you're 'chasing your tail' because they don't dry fast enough and 'work' too long. Applying putty to seams my feel like a repetitive process because you sand it all away without getting the hang of 'feathering' it properly.
I think what you'll hear from the group, is that experimentation is one of the best part's of modeling. Try a couple of different techniques and honestly evaluate which best fits your personality type. Believe me, you'll be a much happier modeler in the long run.
Tread.
Oh, and just in case you're wondering, no particular technique is 'correct'. I don't care if you're an accomplished, professional, museum quality diorama builder or a new beginner to the hobby. NO, I repeat, no technique, is the 'correct' one. As in life, they are all just simply 'variations on a theme' ...
SSgtTowers
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 12:56 PM UTC
I have used the same technique for painting faces for six years now. But as far as painting uniforms I have been constantly looking for something to make me go wow that works. I finally found it, but I actually didn't find it from any others techniques. I found it completely on my own by accident and out of total frustration and now it has been working for me to this day with awesome results. So just as others have said, just keep trying it until you find that one that fits and when it does, you'll know it. #:-)
cj
cj
drewgimpy
Joined: January 24, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 02:38 PM UTC
I am fairly new to modeling after a layoff. I was in the same boat as you, guess I still am actually. Anyway, I got some cheap 1/72 scale armor to try stuff on. I personally have fallen in love with oil paint. Not just weathering or washing, I cover the whole thing with them after I put a base of acrylic on it. Not a lot of people do it that way that I know of but I love it. What you need to do it the same thing in my opinion. It may take time and cost a little, but try different things until you find what #1 works well, and #2 what you have fun doing. I would say if you find a painting style that works but you hate to do, keep looking.
I would also like to echo tread, no way is "correct"
Have fun and welcome to the site
I would also like to echo tread, no way is "correct"
Have fun and welcome to the site
cdave
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 07:38 PM UTC
Hey Padrino,
As stated, try anything and everything, then do it again!
It is not unknown for me (a joke to some friends who has seen thsi) that I know out a kit in a couple of days, just to try some decal or other lil add-on.
Dave
PS, it helps to have scored a killer deal on eBay. I have over 300 kits to do what I want. Only major problem is this damn AMS deseases that I am afflected with. #:-)
Proof of this is evident in my SU-85. #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-)
As stated, try anything and everything, then do it again!
It is not unknown for me (a joke to some friends who has seen thsi) that I know out a kit in a couple of days, just to try some decal or other lil add-on.
Dave
PS, it helps to have scored a killer deal on eBay. I have over 300 kits to do what I want. Only major problem is this damn AMS deseases that I am afflected with. #:-)
Proof of this is evident in my SU-85. #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-)
slodder
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 07:46 PM UTC
Ditto
Read everything you can. Then try every technique you can. Also try combining techniques where you can.
In your binder write down which one's worked, which didn't. Take notes on what you liked, what you didn't, which products you used, which kits you did what to etc.
Put it all together so the next kit you try it on you have a good idea of what will work or not.
Patience and Practice
Read everything you can. Then try every technique you can. Also try combining techniques where you can.
In your binder write down which one's worked, which didn't. Take notes on what you liked, what you didn't, which products you used, which kits you did what to etc.
Put it all together so the next kit you try it on you have a good idea of what will work or not.
Patience and Practice
shiryon
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:13 PM UTC
When reading or even trying a new technique, see if it fits the way you work and the tools you have. Its fine to add tools and abilities But not if using them frustrates or sends you to the poor house.I build some models out of the box and some get "super detailed". I can accomplish certain effects and not others. All I'm saying is work within your ability and improve your skills at your own pace. Otherwise you may get frustrated and leave a model sitting because you just could'nt get the effect right.Now back to figuring out pre-shading.
Josh Weingarten
aKa shiryon :-)
Josh Weingarten
aKa shiryon :-)
GunTruck
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:31 PM UTC
Padrino - I recommend reading Treadhead's post again - much wisdom there and I agree with his sentiments.
Try something new and different on each model and don't be concerned with anything else other than pleasing yourself and getting the results you set out before you began the model - even if it's just applying mud or complicated decals. Don't specialize - i.e. get into solely WW II German dunkelgelb finishes - because you miss the opportunity to learn something new about different colors, combinations, and camo schemes, and eras.
As Tread pointed out, modeling experience is just "Variations on a Theme" - and you want to take all the suggestions offered you with a grain of salt. Try some, mix some up, blow some up, and leave some behind if they're not comfortable for you. Soon, Padrino's Style will join the sea of other styles out there, enriching the whole.
Gunnie
Try something new and different on each model and don't be concerned with anything else other than pleasing yourself and getting the results you set out before you began the model - even if it's just applying mud or complicated decals. Don't specialize - i.e. get into solely WW II German dunkelgelb finishes - because you miss the opportunity to learn something new about different colors, combinations, and camo schemes, and eras.
As Tread pointed out, modeling experience is just "Variations on a Theme" - and you want to take all the suggestions offered you with a grain of salt. Try some, mix some up, blow some up, and leave some behind if they're not comfortable for you. Soon, Padrino's Style will join the sea of other styles out there, enriching the whole.
Gunnie
Bravo-Comm
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Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2002 - 10:35 PM UTC
This is a test of the DAGGER Touch System So please excuse the intrusion....DAGGER-1
"HEY IT WORKED"...YEAHHHHH. See Dagger running down the street arms in the air, Jumping up and down with joy.
Tiger1
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:07 AM UTC
After trying different peoples techniques, you will most likely develop your own technique using various methods. That is how I developed mine. I learned from the best...Chris Mrosko...who I admire; and his technique, in my opinion is amazing, and easy to replicate. :-)
Eagle
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 03:14 AM UTC
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I have used the same technique for painting faces for six years now. But as far as painting uniforms I have been constantly looking for something to make me go wow that works. I finally found it, but I actually didn't find it from any others techniques. I found it completely on my own by accident and out of total frustration and now it has been working for me to this day with awesome results. So just as others have said, just keep trying it until you find that one that fits and when it does, you'll know it.
May you want to share your secret with us ? My faces are ok (considering it's only the 1st month I'm triying) but my uniforms look like @peshit.... Could use your information here.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:15 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI have used the same technique for painting faces for six years now. But as far as painting uniforms I have been constantly looking for something to make me go wow that works. I finally found it, but I actually didn't find it from any others techniques. I found it completely on my own by accident and out of total frustration and now it has been working for me to this day with awesome results. So just as others have said, just keep trying it until you find that one that fits and when it does, you'll know it.
May you want to share your secret with us ? My faces are ok (considering it's only the 1st month I'm triying) but my uniforms look like @peshit.... Could use your information here.
Gee, it must be true..."great mind's think alike". I was just reading thru this thread planning on asking exactly the same question of SSgtTowers (BTW, many thx for the kind words Gunnie). But, I guess Eagle beat me to it. I second Eagle's request......Please?
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 04:26 AM UTC
As an addendum to my earlier post Padrino, listen to member's like Gunnie. If anyone has 'found his style' in modeling, it's Gunnie. And I'm willing to bet that even as good as he is he still experiment's on a regular basis with technique's he's picked up from printed article's or home-made suggestion's from beginner's. That's just the kind of guy he is....alway's willing to learn more technique's.
Believe me, it will be an 'on-going' process that will "enrich the whole".
Tread.
Yeah, I know, I plagerized.....shoot me.........just make it something big mikemike, OK?
#:-)
Believe me, it will be an 'on-going' process that will "enrich the whole".
Tread.
Yeah, I know, I plagerized.....shoot me.........just make it something big mikemike, OK?
#:-)
Hollowpoint
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Posted: Monday, July 29, 2002 - 06:26 PM UTC
Padrino:
Going back to your original post, I think you have the right idea. Master the basics first, then try something different. With all the fancy tools, reference, aftermarket parts and whatnot out there, it's easy to overlook the basics of building scale models:
Following instructions
Careful removal of parts of sprue
Clean-up of mold seam lines
Filling gaps and sinkholes
Using glue sparingly
Sanding and polishing
Alignment of parts
Test-fitting
Basic paint application
Basic decal application
Going back to your original post, I think you have the right idea. Master the basics first, then try something different. With all the fancy tools, reference, aftermarket parts and whatnot out there, it's easy to overlook the basics of building scale models:
Following instructions
Careful removal of parts of sprue
Clean-up of mold seam lines
Filling gaps and sinkholes
Using glue sparingly
Sanding and polishing
Alignment of parts
Test-fitting
Basic paint application
Basic decal application
drewgimpy
Joined: January 24, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 03:29 PM UTC
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(BTW, many thx for the kind words Gunnie).
Hey, I said something nice about you and didn't get any thanks
Just kidding. I guess we little pee ons with without stars can't expect praise from those who have them. I do think your advice was great. Maybe I should have expounded on how great I thought it was.
(I really am joking on everything except the compliment. I don't joke around much so I thought I better be sure and let people know
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