AFV Painting & Weathering
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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I got a little problem
Sancho0409
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 05:48 AM UTC
Hey, I was washing my model, just like how I learned to do, and then wash left shinny white deposits on my modell, why did that happen, and what can I do to get rid of them, besides paint over it??
kkeefe
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 06:53 AM UTC
Sancho,
Did you rinse it off GOOD? What kind of soap are you using?
What I do is...
Fill sutible sized CLEAN plastic container with warm water and dish washing liquid soap. Let parts sit in the bubbly solution for a couple of minutes. RINSE good in warm water right from the tap.... being careful not to let any parts that may break off during the process go down the drain.
Never seen any residue white spots on mine...
I would suggest washing again to see if that gets rid of the residue. I wouldn't paint until the spots are gone.
Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature
Did you rinse it off GOOD? What kind of soap are you using?
What I do is...
Fill sutible sized CLEAN plastic container with warm water and dish washing liquid soap. Let parts sit in the bubbly solution for a couple of minutes. RINSE good in warm water right from the tap.... being careful not to let any parts that may break off during the process go down the drain.
Never seen any residue white spots on mine...
I would suggest washing again to see if that gets rid of the residue. I wouldn't paint until the spots are gone.
Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature
Sancho0409
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:03 AM UTC
No, I mean a wash like the mixture of paint thinner and a little bit of paint kind of wash, sorry.
Kencelot
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:05 AM UTC
Those little white spots are what I would suspect as mineral deposits from the water. Just like in the dishwaser commercials..."Oh no, spots"
You could avoid getting them if you speed up the drying time - in effect - use a hair dryer on a low setting. Or just pour some bottled water over the rinsed model.
You could avoid getting them if you speed up the drying time - in effect - use a hair dryer on a low setting. Or just pour some bottled water over the rinsed model.
Kencelot
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:08 AM UTC
Disregard the entire above post!!!
Hmmm. What kind of paint are you using for the wash? Acrylic, enamal, oil? What kind of paint did you use for the models main color?
Hmmm. What kind of paint are you using for the wash? Acrylic, enamal, oil? What kind of paint did you use for the models main color?
m1garand
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:33 AM UTC
Did you use ca glue on the model and could the wash be reacting with it?
Sancho0409
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 07:36 AM UTC
I used model masters enamel paint and the paint on the model is just the plastic it was molded in and I didn't use CA glue.
Kencelot
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 08:48 AM UTC
So, you used enamels for both the "base" color and the wash...correct? We'll figure this out! Just a couple more questions.
What type of thinner did you use to thin the enamels for the wash? Was the models base paint a flat (matte) or a gloss?
Hmmm...did you by chance use any kind of a clear coat like Future before the wash?
What type of thinner did you use to thin the enamels for the wash? Was the models base paint a flat (matte) or a gloss?
Hmmm...did you by chance use any kind of a clear coat like Future before the wash?
Sancho0409
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:05 AM UTC
The models base coat was flat, and I applyed model masters "clear top coat", considering I don't know what future is, but it kind of left a gloss to it. Oh, and I used plain old local hardware store brand paint thinner like you would use to wash brushes after you paint your house.
Kencelot
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:20 AM UTC
Hmmm. The thinner could be the culprit.
Here's an idea. Take your clear top coat and brush a little over one or a couple of the white spots in the least conspicuous area. Let it dry, it should cause the spots to go away. Let me know.
Here's an idea. Take your clear top coat and brush a little over one or a couple of the white spots in the least conspicuous area. Let it dry, it should cause the spots to go away. Let me know.
Sancho0409
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:28 AM UTC
Thanks for all of your help Kencelot, I will try that first chance I get.
YodaMan
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:20 PM UTC
Okey doke.... Here's another one for ya'll.
On the Turret of my M41 I put a few decals on. Gloss coat, then decal setting solution, then the decal, more setting solution... and finally some softening solution. Then, I brushed on some flat clear coat. Now, I've got ugly white streaks everywhere. I used the Micro Mark decal system. Everything looked fine until I used that blasted clear flat!
So my question is, what caused this? And how can I fix it? Do I need to repaint the turret?
YodaMan
On the Turret of my M41 I put a few decals on. Gloss coat, then decal setting solution, then the decal, more setting solution... and finally some softening solution. Then, I brushed on some flat clear coat. Now, I've got ugly white streaks everywhere. I used the Micro Mark decal system. Everything looked fine until I used that blasted clear flat!
So my question is, what caused this? And how can I fix it? Do I need to repaint the turret?
YodaMan
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Posted: Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 10:28 PM UTC
They don't like to hear this but, these types of products, definitly have ashelf life. When the carrying agent gets older, wierd reactions begin to develop. Turpentine for example will rest glossy, and shiny, Yuck. I've tried the following solutions with good results, but cannot guarentee them for your model. First You've added everything that could be added to add more might risk adding insult to injury. Try washing the model with dish washing liquid and warm water. In the worst case scenario, I have done a quick wipe over with methanol/lighterfluid/wood burning alcohol. Be sure to try this in a non visible areasuch as a corner of the lower under hull.
Hope this Helps.
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Hope this Helps.
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drewgimpy
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Posted: Monday, July 29, 2002 - 10:49 PM UTC
I personaly have had a few problems with white stuff when using testors dull coat. I could not begin to tell you what the problem is other than it tends to happen when I put it on a little to thick. The stuff I used was the laquer (sp?) and have since thrown it out so I can't give any more detail than that. I have had better luck with the model master acrylic dull coat but the same thing applies with thickness. If I try to put it on to thick instead of in a couple thin coats it doesn't look good and it gets visits from the little white friends your talking about.
GunTruck
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Posted: Monday, July 29, 2002 - 11:25 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Okey doke.... Here's another one for ya'll.
On the Turret of my M41 I put a few decals on. Gloss coat, then decal setting solution, then the decal, more setting solution... and finally some softening solution. Then, I brushed on some flat clear coat. Now, I've got ugly white streaks everywhere. I used the Micro Mark decal system. Everything looked fine until I used that blasted clear flat!
So my question is, what caused this? And how can I fix it? Do I need to repaint the turret?
YodaMan
Quoted Text
I personaly have had a few problems with white stuff when using testors dull coat. I could not begin to tell you what the problem is other than it tends to happen when I put it on a little to thick. The stuff I used was the laquer (sp?) and have since thrown it out so I can't give any more detail than that. I have had better luck with the model master acrylic dull coat but the same thing applies with thickness. If I try to put it on to thick instead of in a couple thin coats it doesn't look good and it gets visits from the little white friends your talking about.
YodaMan - if this reaction appeared after you brushed on the Dull Cote - it was because it was too heavy. I never brush Dull Cote on - always apply with an airbrush. I also thin the Dull Cote to 50% with Lacquer Thinner. This helps prevent the white frosting.
In your situation, you can take a bottle of clean Lacquer Thinner and overspray (LIGHTLY) the offending white spots on your Turret. Do not touch the Turret, let it sit to air dry. The Lacquer Thinner will cut through the excess Dull Cote and evaporate it away. Usually you'll only need to do this once. If really heavy, repeat the process after it dries. Don't do it too many times, however...
Gunnie