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academy any good?
godfather
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:54 AM UTC
The box art seems to be close to the tamiya version but about $10 cheaper. I would like to get one for practice. What is teh quality like and are there way of telling which is a more up to date version?
sniper
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 03:57 AM UTC
What model (vehicle) are you talking about?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:17 AM UTC
From what I've seen and heard, early academy stuff was just tamiya knock-offs they bought up tamiya's old molds and went from there.....
There are some kits with the same tamiya fit and finish, and some really horrible ones.
Their newer stuff seems (to me) to be first class.
HTH, John
There are some kits with the same tamiya fit and finish, and some really horrible ones.
Their newer stuff seems (to me) to be first class.
HTH, John
Bluefalcon47
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 04:26 AM UTC
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From what I've seen and heard, early academy stuff was just tamiya knock-offs they bought up tamiya's old molds and went from there.....
It's even worse than you think.... They just made copies of Tamiya kits, they didn't even use the molds.... Stay away from the Panzer IV H.... Tamiya's old kit was bad enough, but the copy is even worse. But they actually made improvements to some of the kits, the M60A1/A3 is an example of that. I think they copied the Merkava Mk.I as well and made it into a Mk.II.
Just my 2 cents worth. Correct me if I'm wrong...
Bravo-Comm
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:00 AM UTC
DONT BUY THE MERKAVA-II, "TRUST ME" IT'S NOT WORTH THE EFFORT!! IF YOU WANT A MERKAVA MODEL, "BUY A TAMIYA KIT"
DAGGER-1
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Bluefalcon47
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:04 AM UTC
I have built the Tamiya Mk.I and liked it a lot. But Tamiya doesn't do a Mk.II. Yes, the Academy Mk.IIs and IIIs need work to make them all correct, but they are not so bad, are they? Or have you experienced otherwise?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:05 AM UTC
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DONT BUY THE MERKAVA-II, "TRUST ME" IT'S NOT WORTH THE EFFORT!! IF YOU WANT A MERKAVA MODEL, "BUY A TAMIYA KIT"
DAGGER-1
Okay, DAGGER-1, as I look at the Merk-II box in my hobby closet, what's the bad news?
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:16 AM UTC
What about the Academy Tiger 1 models. The exterior version without the interior. Up here in Canada its about $17 cheaper than the Tamiya version. Any comments on this one?
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Bluefalcon47
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:21 AM UTC
Leader,
One of the recent FSM issues has a "Tiger Round Up" article, that rated the Academy Tiger I with interior as the best 1/35 Tiger on the market. It is excellent value for money (recently got my hands on one myself). It has a HUGE number of parts! Never seen such a full kitbox in my life! :-)
Detail is as crips and good as on the Tamiya kit and at about half the price....
One of the recent FSM issues has a "Tiger Round Up" article, that rated the Academy Tiger I with interior as the best 1/35 Tiger on the market. It is excellent value for money (recently got my hands on one myself). It has a HUGE number of parts! Never seen such a full kitbox in my life! :-)
Detail is as crips and good as on the Tamiya kit and at about half the price....
sniper
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:33 AM UTC
Some of the new Academy kits are awesome. I also agree with Dave about the Tiger I. I have one in the box too, and it looks like quite a project!
One thing great about Academy is they are doing sove vehicles that aren't available from anyone else.
I can't comment on the ealier Academy releases, but have heard cofmments similar to those already posted.
But, if we knew the exact kit Padrino was asking about...
Steve
One thing great about Academy is they are doing sove vehicles that aren't available from anyone else.
I can't comment on the ealier Academy releases, but have heard cofmments similar to those already posted.
But, if we knew the exact kit Padrino was asking about...
Steve
Bravo-Comm
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:51 AM UTC
Well Lets see Where do I start. 1. Too small of Turrent hooks, Parts that came off after having been glued on, And yes I used the right amount of glue. Main gun space had to be shaved some in order to fit the gun into it's slot. missing two poly caps. ( Thank Goodness for spares) The left tread was too tight of a fit and had to be struggled with briefly before finally glueing into place. Staoge rack gave me problems with not lining up correctly.
Is that enough ?? Or is something regular with academy. OH And let me forget about the Tiger-1 kit that I had last year that had a "TOATALLY WARPED MAIN DECK " And you wonder why I dislike Academy kits ?? Hey I got talked ionto buying this kit. And had I know the results. I would have turned it down. And bought something else. PREFERABLY A TAMIYA....Or Something equivelant to one. So there is my thought on Academy.. OR is this something normal to Model building.. I Dont think so.. I NEVER had this many problems with the Tamiya kits that I have built lately !! Okay I will quit Gripping now.
DAGGER-1
Is that enough ?? Or is something regular with academy. OH And let me forget about the Tiger-1 kit that I had last year that had a "TOATALLY WARPED MAIN DECK " And you wonder why I dislike Academy kits ?? Hey I got talked ionto buying this kit. And had I know the results. I would have turned it down. And bought something else. PREFERABLY A TAMIYA....Or Something equivelant to one. So there is my thought on Academy.. OR is this something normal to Model building.. I Dont think so.. I NEVER had this many problems with the Tamiya kits that I have built lately !! Okay I will quit Gripping now.
DAGGER-1
r19f
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 06:16 AM UTC
well i have just completed the m60a1 the m60a3 the m113 the m113 fitter the m113 zelda the tigre 1 with interor and i have had no problums at all ,unlike the tamya mk5 chieftain witch is a late mk2 erly mk3 a centurion mk111 with sink marks on the tracks warped gun barral so i think that academy are fine
sniper
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 07:07 AM UTC
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Well Lets see Where do I start. 1. Too small of Turrent hooks, Parts that came off after having been glued on, And yes I used the right amount of glue. Main gun space had to be shaved some in order to fit the gun into it's slot. missing two poly caps. ( Thank Goodness for spares) The left tread was too tight of a fit and had to be struggled with briefly before finally glueing into place. Staoge rack gave me problems with not lining up correctly.
Is that enough ?? Or is something regular with academy. OH And let me forget about the Tiger-1 kit that I had last year that had a "TOATALLY WARPED MAIN DECK " And you wonder why I dislike Academy kits ?? Hey I got talked ionto buying this kit. And had I know the results. I would have turned it down. And bought something else. PREFERABLY A TAMIYA....Or Something equivelant to one. So there is my thought on Academy.. OR is this something normal to Model building.. I Dont think so.. I NEVER had this many problems with the Tamiya kits that I have built lately !! Okay I will quit Gripping now.
DAGGER-1
Dagger,
I think you need a bit of decaf! No need to yell.
Some of the new Academy kits are getting rave reviews all over the place. Sometimes though, you do get a dud.
Some of the things that happened to you occur with any manufacturer, even Tamiya. In fact having to shave some plastic to get another part to align or fit happens with every model I've built no matter who designed it.
As far as parts that came off after being glued on, are you saying that it has something to do with Academy's plastic? I've never heard about this happening if that's the case.
All models take some tweaking to get parts to fit. There's nothing magic about what's in a Tamiya box. And, the newer Academy kits have some of the best detail available in injection molded kits.
Personally, I'm glad Academy offers another choice and makes vehicles Tamiya and DML don't.
Steve
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 08:54 AM UTC
Academy kits, up to and including the M1A1, LVTP-7, Sgt. York, M2 Bradley, M151A2, and earlier kits (M551, M4A3E8, Pz IVH, Leo 1) were direct copies of Tamiya kits. Many even had bad copies of the exact same decal sheets. They borrowed heavily from the M113 series, M60 series and Merkava to make some of their "own" kits. At least these kits were not direct copies and were improved upon to some extent, creating variants that Tamiya did not carry (M48A5/K, M60A1w/M9 dozer blade, Merkava II, M113A2 FOV). Much the same as Trumpeter is/was doing with their kits.
I'm not a Tiger expert, but I hear their Tiger with interior is the best one out there. How is their new M151A1?
I'm not a Tiger expert, but I hear their Tiger with interior is the best one out there. How is their new M151A1?
sgtreef
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:13 AM UTC
Come on guys everbody knows that Academy makes the best M-113 series of kits. Maybe Dagger that the Texas heat warped your top deck . Everything you said can be fixed. but heck Tamiya has its Faults too. Remember all their old kits that are still on the market. I think cause of the two stars on the box does not make the kit. And as a fact their T/34 Sucks whole kit is wrong. from turrent to top deck too large. Only one who comes close on the T/34 is Dragon and then only by a small margin, Why can I talk about the T/34 heck got 20 plus of them but back then nobody made one except them!! Also their old model Tiger 1 is wrong also why heck got 8 of them. Tamiya has had its junk to !!
I am off my box now
Sorry if I offended anybody
Just get tired of Tamiya this and Tamiya that
I am off my box now
Sorry if I offended anybody
Just get tired of Tamiya this and Tamiya that
Jeepney
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:32 AM UTC
I believe that Academy kits are very good alternatives to expensive Tamiya and Hasegawa kits. Reviewers and modellers are raving about the latest kits that have come out. Personally, I prefer Academy over anything else because I get a lot of value for my money. I also don't go into a fit when I destroy a kit because they are not that expensive in the first place. I read reviews and ask around before buying a kit, though, because every model company has its duds. It helps that they have a factory around here somewhere though I haven't really looked for it yet. Maybe I can get a kit at factory price #:-) .
Give them a chance.
Give them a chance.
sgtreef
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:36 AM UTC
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I believe that Academy kits are very good alternatives to expensive Tamiya and Hasegawa kits. Reviewers and modellers are raving about the latest kits that have come out. Personally, I prefer Academy over anything else because I get a lot of value for my money. I also don't go into a fit when I destroy a kit because they are not that expensive in the first place. I read reviews and ask around before buying a kit, though, because every model company has its duds. It helps that they have a factory around here somewhere though I haven't really looked for it yet. Maybe I can get a kit at factory price #:-) .
Give them a chance.
I would try maybe real cheap
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 09:55 AM UTC
Academy's M113 series is the best out there. They borrowed a bit from the Tamiya kit and they modified it to make it better and added A2 options. Much like Trumpeter did with the M1A1. The Academy HMMWV series is the best one too. Doesn't change the fact that the direct, un-modified Academy copies of Tamiya kits are worse than the Tamiya kits they copied. Yes, old Tamiya kits are bad compared with today's modern kits, but they were the best things going (and only as with the T-34) 30 years ago.
Tamiya's down fall is that they toss a new sprue or set of figures into a 30 year old kit and charge $30+ for it. But when Tamiya does a new kit from scratch, like the Japanese Type 90, Leopard 2A5, Dragon Wagon, M8/20 Armored Car, or US 6x6 cargo truck, the results are superb kits that set the standard. Even when they re-do an old kit from the tracks up like the Willys Jeep, Schwimmwagen, Pz III, StuG III, Pz IV, they produce quality products.
It's only when they try to skimp by modifying an existing kit, like the Marder 1A2, M60A3/A1, T-34 ChTZ, M4A3 75 and 105 that we get something less than what they're capable of producing.
Tamiya's down fall is that they toss a new sprue or set of figures into a 30 year old kit and charge $30+ for it. But when Tamiya does a new kit from scratch, like the Japanese Type 90, Leopard 2A5, Dragon Wagon, M8/20 Armored Car, or US 6x6 cargo truck, the results are superb kits that set the standard. Even when they re-do an old kit from the tracks up like the Willys Jeep, Schwimmwagen, Pz III, StuG III, Pz IV, they produce quality products.
It's only when they try to skimp by modifying an existing kit, like the Marder 1A2, M60A3/A1, T-34 ChTZ, M4A3 75 and 105 that we get something less than what they're capable of producing.
SS-74
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:09 AM UTC
Talking about Academy Tiger I, is there a PE set for it? Because I asked my local hobby shop, they said no. And unfortunately of me, I had crossed into the dark reign that if there is no PE upgrade, I don't want to build that kit. Can't stand the plastic blob for the tool clamps...
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:15 AM UTC
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Academy's M113 series is the best out there. They borrowed a bit from the Tamiya kit and they modified it to make it better and added A2 options. Much like Trumpeter did with the M1A1. The Academy HMMWV series is the best one too. Doesn't change the fact that the direct, un-modified Academy copies of Tamiya kits are worse than the Tamiya kits they copied. Yes, old Tamiya kits are bad compared with today's modern kits, but they were the best things going (and only as with the T-34) 30 years ago.
Tamiya's down fall is that they toss a new sprue or set of figures into a 30 year old kit and charge $30+ for it. But when Tamiya does a new kit from scratch, like the Japanese Type 90, Leopard 2A5, Dragon Wagon, M8/20 Armored Car, or US 6x6 cargo truck, the results are superb kits that set the standard. Even when they re-do an old kit from the tracks up like the Willys Jeep, Schwimmwagen, Pz III, StuG III, Pz IV, they produce quality products.
It's only when they try to skimp by modifying an existing kit, like the Marder 1A2, M60A3/A1, T-34 ChTZ, M4A3 75 and 105 that we get something less than what they're capable of producing.
True words their Rob not to patronize you but truer words were never spoken. On the last T/34 I got was the same one from 15 plus years ago all they had done was throw in a set of their set of Russian figs and bam $36.00 bucks. and yes I do agree that the latest kits are real good I will get that Dragon Wagon it is on my list and don't forget the Famo another killer kit. today they make good kits but some not all of their older kits need the ole RETOOLING done to it.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 10:17 AM UTC
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Eduard makes 35133 for the Tiger 1 Exterior and 35134 for the interior, both for the Academy kit. Now I'm not a Tiger expert, but I would imagine that these two sets are aimed towards the new Tiger 1 with interior.Talking about Academy Tiger I, is there a PE set for it? Because I asked my local hobby shop, they said no. And unfortunately of me, I had crossed into the dark reign that if there is no PE upgrade, I don't want to build that kit. Can't stand the plastic blob for the tool clamps...
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 01:55 PM UTC
Just put the academy down raise your hands above you head and walk away, just walk away. thats only my 2. I'm actualy starting to dislike plastic a real lot. and resin is sometimes just to pricey but what ya gonna' do eh'. for me it comes down to QUALITY and thats all I'll dish out the $$$ just to practice. why practice on crap?
What if you do a great job? Thats like putting doodoo on a silver plate!.elllk
What if you do a great job? Thats like putting doodoo on a silver plate!.elllk
drewgimpy
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:14 PM UTC
I am far from being an expert, but the Academy hummer kits beet anythng else I have seen in a hummer by a mile. I have also seen some reviews of there new stuff thats good. don't know a thing about the old stuff though.
ek
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Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 05:37 PM UTC
the academy m-113 series is the best. i got the zelda, the fitter and the m-163 kits and they are great. in my opinion the fitter kit is one of the best kits ever (out of the box anyway). it gives u the best value for your money and it's really impressive with it's details and interior.
the magach 6 kit is very nice too. the merkava 2 kit is very good for an early merkava 2 model and need some work to make it into a current model. their kmt add-on's are good too and so is the dozer. academy is a good company right now and it's cheaper than tamiya. i don't see any reason to preffer tamiya kit of the same type over the academy kit.
actually i think i will go and buy me another zelda right now.....
the magach 6 kit is very nice too. the merkava 2 kit is very good for an early merkava 2 model and need some work to make it into a current model. their kmt add-on's are good too and so is the dozer. academy is a good company right now and it's cheaper than tamiya. i don't see any reason to preffer tamiya kit of the same type over the academy kit.
actually i think i will go and buy me another zelda right now.....
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Posted: Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 03:50 AM UTC
About the Academy Imperial Series- Is it worth it? Or are you better off buying aftermarket parts?
[edit] Thats DML/Dragon, isn't it. Oh well, anyways, is it worth it? [/edit]
[edit] Thats DML/Dragon, isn't it. Oh well, anyways, is it worth it? [/edit]