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artist Oils Question
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 10:02 AM UTC
I haven't done a wash yet on any of my models so I am going to the local artist store to get some oils.

What one's should I get so I can do a desert wash?

What oils should I get for a camo wash?

What oils should I get for a green wash.

Etc. Or are there basic oils that are used for washs.

What ones should I get for figures to paint flesh and washs for them.

Thanks a lot


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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 06:39 PM UTC
Tom

Go to a micheals for the paint. I use windsonr & newton oil paints for washes. I use Raw umber, burnt sienna, black, browns and just lighten or darken your camo colors for washing. Thin with turpenoid or artest spirits for the oils. Try this link for faces.http://www.alphaimagemodelworkshop.com/Web%20pages/Article%20pages/face%20acrylic%20painting.htm

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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 07:09 PM UTC
For oils, you should really get the best you can afford. W&N may be expensive, but oils last for so long it pays. My oils are nearly 4 years old and they should be good for at least the same again.
The main 3 for washes would be burnt sienna,raw umber and black. Start with these and add to, as needed.
I use enamels mostly for brush painting and like to add oils to them when painting faces etc. I guess white, red and ochre would be the next in line for this.

W&N also do a small box with small tubes with a selection of 10 colours. This could be a good starting place.

For defining lines and popping detail I use black mostly. Raw or burnt umber is great for an overall wash and weathering. Works for all you have mentioned above .. desert, camo and greens!
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 08:03 PM UTC
Hi Tom,

I agree with the others.. I also use Winsdor and Newton, and also mosly the colors Black, Raw Umber and Burnt Sienna.. mixed in different variations or by themselves (depending on what they're going on to)..

For thinner I use Gum Spirits of Turpentine...

I tried Turpenoid.. but I think I got the wrong kind, because it ate write through my Future Coat and attacked the paint job underneath... Ever since I've stuck to Gum Spirits of Turpentine...

I did a lil article on our web site.. nothing great, but gives you the general idea on what to do... just click on the link below

How to do a wash

Good luck!!
Charlie
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 08:14 PM UTC

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I tried Turpenoid.. but I think I got the wrong kind, because it ate write through my Future Coat and attacked the paint job underneath... Ever since I've stuck to Gum Spirits of Turpentine...

I forgot to mention what I use for thinners when washing. I also tried several thinners but found what was OK on one model seemed to damage another .. dont ask me why
I only use humbrol´s enamel thinners now. Very mild and no headaches worrying about destroying paint jobs. When painting with oils,I dont use any thinners at all .. straight from the tube!
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Posted: Friday, August 06, 2004 - 09:09 PM UTC
One thing that bugs me about oils is the shades available - you can't get German camo green or US Tan, so there's a bit of mixing involved and agonising if you mixed it exactly the same as that kit you made three years ago...
I find Payne's Grey is almost a dead ringer for Panzer Grey and a good one to try thinning right out to drip into panel lines and hatches on lighter coloured afvs. Leave it to dry - experiment with twenty minutes or so and then get a dry 100% clean big soft brush, and brush it quite hard. This will blend the oil into the paint work and lose the harsh look. Try experimenting - it's fun.
tom
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Posted: Saturday, August 07, 2004 - 12:05 AM UTC
You people are the best I was gona do this during the week but I could not do the forum because the site was down.

The colurs use said to use I will buy on Monday, My wife works on weekends so I am carless till then. I was going to go to walmart because I seen a post awhile back about stuff at walmart for modeling but use got going to micheals for quality is worth the money. It will stay good for years I guess.

Thanks a lot :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

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Posted: Saturday, August 21, 2004 - 10:27 PM UTC
I never much paid attention to artists oils before yesterday. I picked some up did a mineral spirits and burnt umber wash... Nice pigments, even wierd looking..totally differnet than enamal washes i tried. Im convinced this is the methid for any washes,,,
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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 10:23 PM UTC
I have just three oil colors in my arsenal: Ivory Black, Burnt Umber, and Burnt Sienna, they are Georgian, and I picked them up at Walmart for like 4 bucks a tube. Michaels have excellent oils, but unless I have the weekly 40% coupon their oils are too expensive for me. But there is a thinner I get from there that I have been using for the last year, and have had no problems with. It's called Better Way Artist Oil Brush Cleaner & Thinner. It's colorless and odourless. Great stuff, and it doesn't seem to eat through Future. I have three jars of pre made oil washes ready to go: Burnt Umber/Black for vehicles/figures/ground work, Black for darker rubble/cobblestone roads, and Burnt Umber/Burnt Sienna for skin tone washes.
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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 11:38 PM UTC
Winston Artist oils are $2.37 a tube at Michaels here in Ohio. So thats actually less than I pay for MM enamels....which are $2.65 each


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I have just three oil colors in my arsenal: Ivory Black, Burnt Umber, and Burnt Sienna, they are Georgian, and I picked them up at Walmart for like 4 bucks a tube. Michaels have excellent oils, but unless I have the weekly 40% coupon their oils are too expensive for me. But there is a thinner I get from there that I have been using for the last year, and have had no problems with. It's called Better Way Artist Oil Brush Cleaner & Thinner. It's colorless and odourless. Great stuff, and it doesn't seem to eat through Future. I have three jars of pre made oil washes ready to go: Burnt Umber/Black for vehicles/figures/ground work, Black for darker rubble/cobblestone roads, and Burnt Umber/Burnt Sienna for skin tone washes.
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Posted: Monday, August 23, 2004 - 01:15 AM UTC
Are you getting the small tubes? Because here, with our crappy dollar, a normal size tube usually goes between 8-15 dollars! $2.50 a tube in the US is like nearly $6.00 here...boo! ha ha
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