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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 04:13 AM UTC
I had seen awhile back a soviet truck with a AAA anti-aircraft on it and was wondering who made it.

What type of trucks do the Old soviet block used during the 1980 through the present. I have been tring to figure out what type and no luck.

What type of jeeps do they use I never seen one and would like to build one after my Humvee is done. I was also thinking about building a tank transport from soviet also.

Is there any good sites that would give me a good reference point.

Thanks a lot

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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 04:44 AM UTC
Was it the Eastern Express GAZ-66 with ZU-23-2? If so, the item is available at Alanger.us. You can see it here: Eastern Express Russian GAZ-66 with ZU-23-2 AA Gun.

There are a couple of former Soviet jeeps out by an Eastern European company (MW from Poland?), but the kits are rather crude. Trumpeter does a really nice Chinese BJ-212A jeep. One comes with a recoilless rifle and the other has the canvas soft top. I recommend these two kits.

Order with confidence from Alanger, I've used them several times with no problems.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 05:56 AM UTC
Sabot is right, the GAZ 66 and also this,
the Ural 4300 are/were the main prime movers in old USSR and Soviet Block through the '80s to current. The jeep-type vehicle is the UAZ-469, as seen here:

The MW kit isn't too bad, it just needs a lot of cleanup. It does come with a full engine and chasis setup. I have one. The Trumpeter kit is not the same. The Chinese BJ-212A jeep has a different front end, fender, and hood setup, see photo.


For a tank transporter, check out this over at Missing-Lynx, it is the MAZ-537.

It is an all resin kit , more here: http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/modern/maz537_cpritchett.html

Hope that answers your questions.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 06:42 AM UTC
Hey Tom, this might be what you are looking for: Soviet anti-aircraft QUAD mount for Maxim machine gun - M4

The most common truck during the cold war and present is Ural-375 or -4320 (in the pic Heavy Arty has provided)


The second most common truck is the KamAZ, but there are non in plastic or resin.

Then there is ZIL-131, 5 Star models seems to make one in resin but I don't know anything about that model


Another truck that has been used is the GAZ-66 but it went out of production in 2003- Scale, Eastern Express, and Revell make a plastic kit which is pretty inacurate.


Also a rare truck in Russian but a standard in the Ukrainian army is the Ukrainian KrAZ.

There is the Kraz-255:

And the Kraz-260:


Nobody makes these 2 vehicles in 1/35 right now but Roden might come out with them in the future.

And yet another vehicle, the GAZ-33097 also in small numbers:

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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 07:13 AM UTC
And now for the jeeps:

The main one is the above UAZ-469 but there were also the LuAZ-967 - deployed in very small numbers:


As far as the Soviet army goes, this is all I can remember right now. However if we are talking about the Russian Army, I just read that it started ordering the new GAZ-2975 Tigers:
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Posted: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 - 08:15 AM UTC
"GAZ-2975 Tigers" above. Can we say, "Lets copy the HMMWV" ?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 04:58 AM UTC
Great pics!! Thanks for posting them.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 09:51 AM UTC
Howdy Tom,

Wow...you got some great answers, and some even nicer pics in response to your query.

Here's a pic of something you might like. Unfortunately, I cannot claim this one, but I have kept the photo so that I might build a similar one someday.
Hope you like it.



....and, here's another.



This Soviet AA 'Guntruck' is based on the URAL 4320 vehicle. I have the ICM kit (along with the BS-3 artillery piece) waiting to be built.

Tread.

Also, thx for the great photos Paul.....I especially like the KRAZ-260...!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:09 AM UTC
Yes that is what I was looking for,

The answers I got helped me want to build one I have never seen a soviet truck.

Did they use that truck in Iraq ODS or OIF it would be a nice dio to have a abrams or bradley and hummer next to it checking it out.

I am going to get one as soon as I get my next budget I think that will be my next thing because I was going to do a tank transport but it looks like I should wait and do a couple more trucks first to get the hang of it.

Thank You

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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:12 AM UTC

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"GAZ-2975 Tigers" above. Can we say, "Lets copy the HMMWV" ?


Ok, when Russia comes up with a design that resembles the HMMWV it's copy time, but when other companies just take the Hummer chassis and build a different body on it - it's ok. Take a look at Mowag's Eagle, Otokar's Cobra, and Alvis' Shadow, not to mention all other designs.
The Tiger is faster and has better protection than the hummer. It has a modified BTR-80 suspension so you can be sure it's a good choise.

Here are some of the disadvantages of the hummer

Wheelbase:
Tiger: 3000mm Hummer: 3302mm

Length:
Tiger: 4610mm Hummer: 4686mm

Seating capacity:
Tiger: up to 10 Hummer: 4

Water fording:
Tiger: 1.2m Hummer: 0.914m

Suspension travel:
Tiger: 30mm Hummer: about 23mm (I'm not sure about this, I did the calculation some time ago)

Looking at these specs hummer doesn't seem to be a worthy competitor. :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:23 AM UTC

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Here's a pic of something you might like. Unfortunately, I cannot claim this one, but I have kept the photo so that I might build a similar one someday.


Hey Tread, I was also thinking of building a similar truck but on a ZIL-131 chassis!
Just shows you the toughness of Russian trucks, this one has about a dozen bullet holes and it's still in working condition.



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Did they use that truck in Iraq ODS or OIF it would be a nice dio to have a abrams or bradley and hummer next to it checking it out.

I am going to get one as soon as I get my next budget I think that will be my next thing because I was going to do a tank transport but it looks like I should wait and do a couple more trucks first to get the hang of it.


I can not say for sure if any of these trucks were bought by Iraq up to this point but Kraz was picked to deliver 2000 trucks to the "new" Iraq in the next 2 years.

If you are thinking about buying a kit, go for the ICM Ural, it takes some work but will make a very reallistic model, more over, it has working rear suspension and turning front wheels - if you can figure out the instructions
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:47 AM UTC

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"GAZ-2975 Tigers" above. Can we say, "Lets copy the HMMWV" ?


Ok, when Russia comes up with a design that resembles the HMMWV it's copy time, but when other companies just take the Hummer chassis and build a different body on it - it's ok. Take a look at Mowag's Eagle, Otokar's Cobra, and Alvis' Shadow, not to mention all other designs.
The Tiger is faster and has better protection than the hummer. It has a modified BTR-80 suspension so you can be sure it's a good choise. Here are some of the disadvantages of the hummer

Wheelbase:
Tiger: 3000mm Hummer: 3302mm

Length:
Tiger: 4610mm Hummer: 4686mm

Seating capacity:
Tiger: up to 10 Hummer: 4

Water fording:
Tiger: 1.2m Hummer: 0.914m

Suspension travel:
Tiger: 30mm Hummer: about 23mm (I'm not sure about this, I did the calculation some time ago)

Looking at these specs hummer doesn't seem to be a worthy competitor. :-)


Chill out. Just saying it looks like a copy of the HMMWV. If the others look that way, they are copies too. HMMWV was first and the others are trying to immitate it. I still prefer the HMMWV, It could be configured to meet the specs you mention too. I'm sure the Tiger is a fully capable vehicle. By the way, it looks like we copied the FMTV trucks from the KamAZ, which looks like acopy of a German MAN style truck.


Tom, yes Iraq had/has lots of Ural 4320 trucks. I saw them all over Iraq, both burned out and working. They had them in both ODS and OIF.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:52 AM UTC
Your're right Gino, no hard feelings. I think the HMMWV is the new standard for military vehicles, from now on, every vehicle will look like it, just like it was with the Jeep.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 - 10:58 AM UTC
You got it Paul. Thats all I was trying to point out. No hard feelings.
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 07:31 AM UTC
I was tring to find the

BS-3 artillery peice that TreadHead has in that truck picture.

I have found some nice trucks for a good price but I am getting lost on the BS-3 artillery peice there are so many peices that it gives me web site after web site.

Does anyone know where I can get that peice resin or plastic or PE in 1/35 scale.

Thanks


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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 07:53 AM UTC
Hey Tom, do you want to put the artillery in the truck bed or have the truck towing it? If lyou want to get it in the truck bed like Tread has in the pic, you will need a ZU-23-2, not a BS-3. However if you want to build the truck towing it, you can get this set Serbian Artillery or this Alanger BS-3 kit

If you have any questions, I'll try to do my best
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 08:02 AM UTC
Howdy Tom,

The Soviet BS-3 artillery piece is actually a naval gun adapted to land use because of it's apparent tank 'killing' power.

Here's a pic of the kit I was referring to.....



This is both the URAL 4320 truck, and the BS-3 artillery piece in tow.....

Tread.
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 12:42 PM UTC

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Did they use that truck in Iraq ODS or OIF it would be a nice dio to have a abrams or bradley and hummer next to it checking it out.

Here are a few Ural 4320s destroyed in Iraq.
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Posted: Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 11:09 PM UTC
Hey Gino, the trucks you provided are not Urals. The top one is the ZIL-131 and the bottom is the KrAZ-255. The main difference between the Ural-4320 and the ZIL are the fenders.

By the way Tom, if you are looking for a Cold War truck of up to the 1980s the ZIL-157 will do too. My dad served in the 80s and says they had those trucks everywhere, there were even a couple new ones that just came from the factory!
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Posted: Friday, August 20, 2004 - 12:12 AM UTC
Like I promiced, here's some more stuff.

This is the MAZ-537 tank transporter:

this one is hauling an ISU-152?


this one is hauling a 2S19 MSTA-S SPG


This is the later KZKT-7428 (I agree, it does look like the German FAUN)


this one is also hauling the MSTA-S



Some of the modeling possibilities in 1/35:

ICM Ural-4320 - Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, Russia, Middle East(Iraq)

ICM and Eastern Express Ural-4320 with a ZU-23-2 - Chechnya

Russian Project Ural-4320 ATs-5.5 army refuller - Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact?, Russia, Middle East(Iraq)?

Eastern Express GAZ-66 - Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, Russia, Iraq?

Eastern Express GAZ-66 with ZU-23-2 - Chechnya

5 Star Models ZIL-131- Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, Russia, Middle East(Iraq)

5 Star Models and Eastern Express ZIL-131 with a ZU-23-2 - Chechnya

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Posted: Friday, August 20, 2004 - 12:18 AM UTC
Paul,
"This is the later KZKT-7428"

Look another copy, looks like the German Faun tractor to me. Copying Russians!!!

Just kidding, looks pretty tough.
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Posted: Friday, August 20, 2004 - 12:30 AM UTC
Well, I did modify the post to say that :-)
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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 11:44 PM UTC
I found this site from another post about a T-62 question I posted and it had the gun that was in TreadHeads truck picture he posted. It looks the same but not sure.

This is the name of the kit.
KT-150 Soviet ZU-23 towed version

Includes detailed carriage and gun mount, Highly detailed resin gun breach assemblies, "Model Point" turned brass barrels. and color Xeroxes of the ZU-23 gun mounted on various vehicles.


[url= http://www.aefdesigns.com/Soviet_Images/SOVIET_ARMOR.HTM [/url]

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Posted: Sunday, August 22, 2004 - 11:55 PM UTC
AEF Kt-150
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Posted: Monday, August 23, 2004 - 05:28 AM UTC

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"GAZ-2975 Tigers" above. Can we say, "Lets copy the HMMWV" ?


Russia has always been very fond of copying our stuff (though thats not to say, we in some cases haven't done the same). Anyone remember the Su-24 (ie F-111), Tu-4 (B-29 - literally as it was reverse engineered), AN-124 Condor (ie enlarged C-5B), Il-18/20/38 (characteristic of Lockheed Electra/P-3 Orion), Mi-28 Havoc (took maany characteristics of AH-64D Longbow Apache). The Russians stayed out of copying too much in the way of ground systems preferring to "incorporate" advantagous capabilities of other weapon systems. Similarly, the majority of copying was in the breakthrough phases of a new concept. Once they mastered the new technology, originality seemed to come into play more. So it doesn't suprise me that there is a new Russian jeep that has a striking similarity to the HMMWV. However, the vast majority of new technology (some of which can be considered a serious contender to current US and western systems) is simply killed due to lack of funds.
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