I've just sprayed my M109 interior white. Normaly I would use raw umber thinned for a wash, but this seems abit harsh . and what would you dry brush with it's ALREADY white!
Josh Weingarten
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White interior washes,what color?
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:09 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 02:26 PM UTC
Just a thought...
What if you wash it all over with very light brownish grey, add another layer of wash for deepest corners...and then drybrush with slightly grey-tinted white?
It seems to me that there is no pure white anywhere in the real world.
Toni
What if you wash it all over with very light brownish grey, add another layer of wash for deepest corners...and then drybrush with slightly grey-tinted white?
It seems to me that there is no pure white anywhere in the real world.
Toni
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:07 PM UTC
I have read where some figure painters use light blues for shadows on white camo uniforms. One problem with modern equipment, especially US, is that teh crews keep the interiors immaculate. So my recommendation is to minimize the wash. Like you said, dark washes on white would be way too harsh for the circumstances.
I have also seen where a modeler used grey paint for his stencils on white interior paint, for same reason, so youe idea of a light grey-brown might just do the trick.
I have also seen where a modeler used grey paint for his stencils on white interior paint, for same reason, so youe idea of a light grey-brown might just do the trick.
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:31 PM UTC
Hi Josh,
My advice is to forget about drybrushing.
You could shade some of the darker, recessed areas with grey or a grey/blue mix, then do a light wash.
I'm working on an M20, admittedly in wartime service, so I wanted dirt in the interior, but I used very dilute washes of raw umber applied along the joins and panel lines. I kept the wash in crevices and along seams, and avoided getting the white too dirty on first application. I suppose if you're committed to dry-brushing, you could hit the high spots with white after doing the wash and shading.
Andy
My advice is to forget about drybrushing.
You could shade some of the darker, recessed areas with grey or a grey/blue mix, then do a light wash.
I'm working on an M20, admittedly in wartime service, so I wanted dirt in the interior, but I used very dilute washes of raw umber applied along the joins and panel lines. I kept the wash in crevices and along seams, and avoided getting the white too dirty on first application. I suppose if you're committed to dry-brushing, you could hit the high spots with white after doing the wash and shading.
Andy
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 10:59 PM UTC
My suggestion would be to paint it an off-white, such as Polly-Scale dirty white. Then give it a light to medium gray wash, and dry brush with a regular white. I used this method in a M113 ACAV and it worked quite well.
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Posted: Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:11 PM UTC
It seems to me that the shadows on white would look alot like the shadows on snow. I would use a light gray with a little bit of blue added in. Go easy on the darkness at first, gradually darken the wash until you receive the look you desire. Hope this helps...... ....Otto
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Posted: Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:00 AM UTC
Thanks everyone, I wish I would've heard the Idea about painting off white first or maybe sandstone. Now I'm stuck with the above Ideas. Next time I'll ask first. Thanks all.
Josh WEingarten
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Posted: Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:08 AM UTC
Josh, I posted some interior shots of the M109A5 here: Major Rob's Motorpool.
It may give you some weathering ideas.
It may give you some weathering ideas.
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Posted: Friday, August 09, 2002 - 05:39 PM UTC
Here is my .02 cents......coming from a Tanker.
It all depends on how old the vehicle you're modeling is gonna be. Is this gonna be a recently built vehicle, or one that has been in the fleet for a while? Field environment, or inspection ready?
1. As a vehicle gets more and more service/use, grimy/oily dirt tends to collect in the nooks and crannies. The harder it is to reach, the dirtier it gets
2. crews tend to keep them pretty clean, but inevitably all of the high traffic areas become worn and get a brownish tint from ground in dirt.
3. Sweeping the floor and horizontal surfaces of dirt tends to keep open areas clean, and is often done as a crew duty (privates) But, see #1
4. Only during services/recovery from the field do the vehicles get a washout.
5. Vertical surfaces tend to stay the cleanest and shiniest for obvious reasons. (my turret walls in my last tank were still shiny and it was one of the oldest in the fleet)
6. Crews tend to get lazy and use a spray can of white paint to literally paint over dirt in the turret. this leads to a hodge podge both flat and glossy surfaces, and poor color matching.
Hope this helps instead of confusing you...
John
It all depends on how old the vehicle you're modeling is gonna be. Is this gonna be a recently built vehicle, or one that has been in the fleet for a while? Field environment, or inspection ready?
1. As a vehicle gets more and more service/use, grimy/oily dirt tends to collect in the nooks and crannies. The harder it is to reach, the dirtier it gets
2. crews tend to keep them pretty clean, but inevitably all of the high traffic areas become worn and get a brownish tint from ground in dirt.
3. Sweeping the floor and horizontal surfaces of dirt tends to keep open areas clean, and is often done as a crew duty (privates) But, see #1
4. Only during services/recovery from the field do the vehicles get a washout.
5. Vertical surfaces tend to stay the cleanest and shiniest for obvious reasons. (my turret walls in my last tank were still shiny and it was one of the oldest in the fleet)
6. Crews tend to get lazy and use a spray can of white paint to literally paint over dirt in the turret. this leads to a hodge podge both flat and glossy surfaces, and poor color matching.
Hope this helps instead of confusing you...
John
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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2002 - 10:12 AM UTC
Dubanka,
I believe you nailed it good
Ranger74
I believe you nailed it good
Ranger74
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:31 AM UTC
What I would try is first coating it in a very light grey blue then drybrushing a whith and forget the wash . but whatever you chose to do goodluck and godspeed
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 09:52 AM UTC
YEP ,HE'S RIGHT ABOUT THE MULTI COLORED TURRETS WHERE THE CREWMEMBERS STAND OFTEN GET'S TO THE BARE METAL