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Dragon M4A1 Early re-releases
ShermiesRule
Joined: December 11, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 10:17 AM UTC
I think they are finally in! Got some cryptic email from Great Model Webstore that 2 packages are on the way. Since they are the only two items I have on backorder with them they must be the M4A1s.
andy007
Joined: May 01, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 11:24 AM UTC
Alan,
I think you are right I have seen it for sale on http://www.hobbyeasy.com
I am seriuosly thinking about getting a kit or two.
I think you are right I have seen it for sale on http://www.hobbyeasy.com
I am seriuosly thinking about getting a kit or two.
jimbrae
Joined: April 23, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:21 PM UTC
It is indeed Andy...And just to prove it....
Oh yes....Jim
Oh yes....Jim
shonen_red
Joined: February 20, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:26 PM UTC
Will wait for a full kit review on this one before buying
andy007
Joined: May 01, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:28 PM UTC
OOOOHHHHHHHH AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH......
Just looking at it is good to know there is finely another Sherman out there man I am drooling lol
Just looking at it is good to know there is finely another Sherman out there man I am drooling lol
ukgeoff
Joined: May 03, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 04:55 PM UTC
Of course the big question is......is this a straight re-issue or have they up-dated it like the recent Firefly re-issue? Quess we'll have to wait and see.
jimbrae
Joined: April 23, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 06:35 PM UTC
Geoff, my guess is an update... Jim
SpiritsEye
Joined: May 09, 2004
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 11:17 PM UTC
ooooh.... my hands are itchy now..
but i guess i'll wait for a review first...
but i guess i'll wait for a review first...
ShermiesRule
Joined: December 11, 2003
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Posted: Friday, October 01, 2004 - 09:37 AM UTC
UPS has it scheduled to deliver to me 10/6/04. I'll see if I can post something about it then although I have no original to compare
ukgeoff
Joined: May 03, 2002
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Posted: Monday, October 04, 2004 - 05:22 PM UTC
A review has been posted on the PMMS site. From the write-up it sounds like the kit is a straight re-pop of the original issue i.e. no upgrades.
PMMS M4A1 review
PMMS M4A1 review
Alpenflage
Joined: May 21, 2003
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Posted: Monday, October 04, 2004 - 07:16 PM UTC
Gents. I have a few of these kits on backorder, so if any of you guys need one, just let me know.
As far as I know this is a limited re-issue of the original M4A1 kit. I do agree that an updated version would be well-received over a reissue, but then again this kit has gone for $60+ on eBay in its original form.
Dragon also has an announced US M4A3(76)W kit coming soon. This is an addition to the Russian Lend Lease M4A2(76) the have out now
Ah.....Dragon is good this season. Almost like a continuous Oktoberfest !!!
Prost !!
Alpen
As far as I know this is a limited re-issue of the original M4A1 kit. I do agree that an updated version would be well-received over a reissue, but then again this kit has gone for $60+ on eBay in its original form.
Dragon also has an announced US M4A3(76)W kit coming soon. This is an addition to the Russian Lend Lease M4A2(76) the have out now
Ah.....Dragon is good this season. Almost like a continuous Oktoberfest !!!
Prost !!
Alpen
jimbrae
Joined: April 23, 2003
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Posted: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 01:05 AM UTC
Alpenflage.... 
By a big way...Jim 
By a big way...Jim 
Sabot
Joined: December 18, 2001
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Posted: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 07:49 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Gents. I have a few of these kits on backorder, so if any of you guys need one, just let me know.
As far as I know this is a limited re-issue of the original M4A1 kit. I do agree that an updated version would be well-received over a reissue, but then again this kit has gone for $60+ on eBay in its original form.
Dragon also has an announced US M4A3(76)W kit coming soon. This is an addition to the Russian Lend Lease M4A2(76) the have out now
Ah.....Dragon is good this season. Almost like a continuous Oktoberfest !!!
Prost !!
Alpen
Quoted Text
Alpenflage....
While I see a subtle plug for his shop, I fail to see an off topic comment "by a big way". His plug is no more OT than someone saying Hobby Easy, Squadron, or Great Models is carrying it.
I see a comment directed at the eBay price of the kit (which is a true statement and pertaining to the kit) and that he thinks the kit will be a reissue versus a retool. Again, another pertinent statement.
The last two statements are showing his pleasure at the notion that Dragon is beginning to show a renewed interest in Shermans once again. Hey, I'm happy too.
Hollowpoint
Joined: January 24, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 01:15 AM UTC
I'm glad someone understood that exchange -- I was lost. 
Gotta get a couple of these because I procrastinated the first time around and missed out.
Gotta get a couple of these because I procrastinated the first time around and missed out.
ShermiesRule
Joined: December 11, 2003
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 05:20 AM UTC
Received my two kits today. They appear to be exact re-releases of the original.
Logan
Joined: September 30, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 06:02 AM UTC
Hi
Hmmm should I get one of these or the new Formations kit and use the AFV Club bogies/tracks etc??? Hmmmmmm Formations stuff is great. I have heard that the DML kit is not a true version used by the Brits in the sand....
Hmm buy several and stockpile them ... :-)
Tom
Hmmm should I get one of these or the new Formations kit and use the AFV Club bogies/tracks etc??? Hmmmmmm Formations stuff is great. I have heard that the DML kit is not a true version used by the Brits in the sand....
Hmm buy several and stockpile them ... :-)
Tom
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 09:30 AM UTC
Well you still need to buy a donor kit before you can use the Formations set. When you are done you probably sunk about US$80-100 for a great looking kit. Don't forget the Formations is resin so it's a different building technique. The Dragon M4A1 is only $25-30 and is plastic.
Generally US troops used the M4, M4A1, M4A3 while the Brits/Allies used M4A2 and M4A4.
Generally US troops used the M4, M4A1, M4A3 while the Brits/Allies used M4A2 and M4A4.
Hollowpoint
Joined: January 24, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 07:24 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi
Hmmm should I get one of these or the new Formations kit and use the AFV Club bogies/tracks etc??? Hmmmmmm Formations stuff is great. I have heard that the DML kit is not a true version used by the Brits in the sand....
Hmm buy several and stockpile them ... :-)
Tom
If you want to do a "correct" British M4A1 in North Africa, you'll probably want to get a early M4A1 with direct vision slots. Formations makes a nice kit of this; the Dragon M4A1 is a later tank and is not DV. The Brits may have had some non-DV M4A1s in North Africa, but I don't recall seeing pics of them.
shonen_red
Joined: February 20, 2003
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 07:39 PM UTC
Oh my! Individual links would be veeeeryyy long time to work it out. But then it's a Sherman! Now where can I get one near here? Hmmm..... :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
rfeehan
Joined: July 20, 2003
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 08:46 PM UTC
I know I am going to pick up one at least. Missed it the first time around.
didiumus
Joined: March 18, 2003
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Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 09:34 PM UTC
I picked up my first yesterday. I have two others on order. This is a really great value, there are a ton of spare parts...
I am a little disappointed in the one piece transmission cover, there are no tow ring brackets. Have to figure out how to fix that or see if I can find pics of a later M4A1 that used the three piece tranny cover.
The box says "Early" but I am pretty sure this is a mid or late as the later bogies and one piece tranny cover is modeled. Anyone????
Regards,
Scott Gentry
I am a little disappointed in the one piece transmission cover, there are no tow ring brackets. Have to figure out how to fix that or see if I can find pics of a later M4A1 that used the three piece tranny cover.
The box says "Early" but I am pretty sure this is a mid or late as the later bogies and one piece tranny cover is modeled. Anyone????
Regards,
Scott Gentry
Cob
Joined: May 23, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 01:43 AM UTC
Scott,
From what I understand, it is an M4A1 early (midproduction) which means periscopes vice direct-vision slots for driver and mid-production VVSS. Both 3 piece bolted transmission cover and one piece were seen on this varient.
Hope this helps,
Rob
From what I understand, it is an M4A1 early (midproduction) which means periscopes vice direct-vision slots for driver and mid-production VVSS. Both 3 piece bolted transmission cover and one piece were seen on this varient.
Hope this helps,
Rob
didiumus
Joined: March 18, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 10:02 AM UTC
Thanks, I am a Tiger guy, kinda new at this Sherman thing...
Scott
Scott
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:49 PM UTC
Got around to preparing to build the Dragon M4A1. Holy smokes there are a lot of pieces and options. I usually like to spray some of the piees I think may be difficult to paint once assembly begins. There are two types of bogies (straight and upswept), two trannies (3 bolt style and cast), different rear doors and rear endgine deck. I couldn't figure out what was used and what is to be discarded so I just said to hell with it and sprayed everything!!
I'll have to inventory the remaining pieces plus my spare parts box to see what I'm short to make another Shermie!!
I'll have to inventory the remaining pieces plus my spare parts box to see what I'm short to make another Shermie!!
DaveCox
Joined: January 11, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 06:11 PM UTC
My M4 Early is still on it's way to me at present, but I've already got Accurate Armours British steel chevron tracks and Sherman Update set to go on it. This will give me the correct stowage box etc.
4th Armoured Brigade in NW Europe will be the markings, again from AA.
4th Armoured Brigade in NW Europe will be the markings, again from AA.
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