AFV Painting & Weathering
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
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bowlpuncher
Florida, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 07:00 AM UTC
First of all thank you all for all the great help I get from this place!! I have been looking to improve my modeling and this is the place!. but now I have a question. I have been painting figures with a mixture of craft paint and tamyia acrylics. I recently made the mistake of using the tamyia flat coat from the bottle and ruin a model. Is there a way that I can either get, make something that will dull the paint job and is gentle for all acrylics. Currlently working on a spitfire that I have done in flats but will need to use future to apply the decals. Then I will have to dull and seal it again any idea o great ones of the guild?
Gunfighter
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 07:20 AM UTC
There's a couple of ways. If you airbrush, you can spray Polly S Flat Coat or flattened Future (3 parts future to 1 part Tamiay flat base). You can also use Testor's Dullcote in a spray can.
I used the Dullcote recently with good results. My choices are a bit limited since I'm using spray cans and brushing only.
I used the Dullcote recently with good results. My choices are a bit limited since I'm using spray cans and brushing only.
GunTruck
California, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 07:38 AM UTC
I also recommend Polly Scale Flat - this is good stuff.
Gunnie
Gunnie
Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 07:41 AM UTC
Ive been using humbrol´s matt cote recently and its excellent. It the one in the little square bottle ... not the tins. Ive used model master before ... great results but the liquid in the bottle clotted! Never bothered again as the humbrol worked so well!
Silantra
Putrajaya, Malaysia
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 12:51 PM UTC
good day everyone
as far as my knowledge of tamiya paints is concern, there are no such things as Tamiya Flat Coat. What you;re using is the flat base. This flat base is a paste like substance, which is used to make gloss color look flat (really dead flat). Just put 2-3 drop of the paste into your gloss tamiya color, and the result will be flat.
to archive flat coat , mix 1 drop of the paste with tamiya clear gloss. I just 'pull' a little bit with toothpick and put it into clear gloss. Add thinner and then spray.
This also works with gunze clear gloss. Remember not to put more as this will result the paint to be 'whitish' and don't shoot full percent of flat base to your model.
good luck!
as far as my knowledge of tamiya paints is concern, there are no such things as Tamiya Flat Coat. What you;re using is the flat base. This flat base is a paste like substance, which is used to make gloss color look flat (really dead flat). Just put 2-3 drop of the paste into your gloss tamiya color, and the result will be flat.
to archive flat coat , mix 1 drop of the paste with tamiya clear gloss. I just 'pull' a little bit with toothpick and put it into clear gloss. Add thinner and then spray.
This also works with gunze clear gloss. Remember not to put more as this will result the paint to be 'whitish' and don't shoot full percent of flat base to your model.
good luck!
bowlpuncher
Florida, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 02:26 PM UTC
Thank you all for you help o great ones!!
bilko
Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 11:55 PM UTC
Victor
Depending on what you have just turned white - you can use it to your advantage.
I just had the same mishap with Gunze flat I used my single action spray gun (instead of the double action air brush) , put on too thick a coat and finished up with a beautiful Marder !! with wavy white lines all over it. I thin coat of Tamiya flat white has now turned it into a winterised Marder. So much for the dio in a wheat field
Generally I use Tamiya flat base with floor polish to the ratios stated in a recent FSM magazine - but this time thought I might as well finish the partly used bottle of Gunze
I know how you feel when you look at the mess the next day.
Brian
Gunfighter
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 12:35 AM UTC
The problem on the flat coat turning white happened to me recently. I guess I put in too much of the Tamiya flat base in my Future mix that I was brushing onto a Corsair prop. Next day, white build-up around the edges where it looks like the Future pooled a bit. Luckily, another coat of gloss Future eliminated it. I ended up spraying Dullcote on it at that point, but it looks like I just needed to adjust my ratios.
propboy44256
Ohio, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:42 AM UTC
I agree with Gunnie, Polly S is the best dull coat around.
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I also recommend Polly Scale Flat - this is good stuff.
Gunnie
AJLaFleche
Massachusetts, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 08:15 AM UTC
I've airbrushed Testor's Dullcote, sometimes in very heavy coats, over acrylics, oils and enamels for years and never had a problem, short or long term.
Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 09:10 AM UTC
how do you apply the mate cote, plasticbattle?i have some of this stuff id forgot about til i read your post, and a glossy tornado to sort out, incidently i have a bottle of micro flat that seems to be more of a satin finish,i have shook the bottle into the stone age but its still shiney just before i wrote this post i put a sample of the humbrol matt cote on an AT-AT im building , its now dry and you cant see any difference between that and tha matt finish of the paint (humbrol 147 the perfect imperial light grey)