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Building a 3-tonner F60L 2-pounder portee
jRatz
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 12:13 PM UTC

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Also almost all the early CMP's that went to North Africa were Chev's and not Fords. So there we have it more information turning up all the time.
Cheers
Cliff



Cliff: I have had this hair standing up on the back of my neck for a while now, and did some major flip-flopping over Chev vs Ford. Somewhere I ran across a couple refs that talked more about Ford than Chev & ultimately decided to go that way, even though some of my pictures were decidedly Chev (the hood emblem being an obvious clue). I may have been mislead by some undated pictures.

Oh well, die is cast. But I'm still annoyed by the doors.

John, having great fun !!!!
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 01:52 PM UTC
First, Happy New Year to all. We had a good holiday. Kids survived air travel and got here more or less on time, and got back home safely. I took all on an air tour of the Outer Banks and the kids expressed the usual surprise that Dad could learn anything, much less flying !!!!


OK, remember all those times I said I was enjoying this ?? Well that does not count the time I spent trying to build a couple frames to hold gas & water cans !!!! I've been, what, three weeks since last post & only just now got two of 'em that I can live with -- the 3 or 4 previous attempts are trash. The only good thing about all this is that I just had to set them aside for a while and that forced me to work on other things, so I have lots of overall progress to show.

Starting at the front, I did some more tweaking of the frame & cab to look more like the pix I have -- if you look at the earlier pix you'll see the flat platform under the grill has been shortened & bent down [probably only Roo appreciates this one]. I did some work to make a mount for the bumper which came from the Eduard PE, thickened with Evergreen stock. I kept the Tamiya brush guard -- the PE was too thin & the Tamiya part looked OK in retrospect. Peeking over the back of the cab you can see the spare tire mount has been added to -- I've seen several different styles & I picked something easy in between all of them -- I just can't get emotionally involved with a tire carrier right now.



Next back is the center deck -- lots going on here.



There are legs for the seat to sit on; note the angle brackets and things to replicate mounting to the wood platform. On the right hand leg is a lumpy box meant to replicate the winch cranking mechanism. In reality, the handle drove a large gear which turned the smaller gear on the winch axle and the two gears were vertical. Unfortunately, the way things worked, I had to kludge this to a horizontal arrangement. The crank is shown attached; it will later be mounted on the side of the ammo box.

I ended up redoing the winch drum because things weren't fitting right. The cable is hand-wound from 4 strands of .032" wire -- I still have to work on the fittings on the end of the cable where it attaches to the little trolley.

I have also added two trail clamps -- they sorta look like the real thing, but are not mounted exactly where the real ones were -- again, a problem of making disparate things match reality. In a later picture you'll see how the carriage legs fit in the clamps. I'll use some a/c seatbelts or stray PE to make some straps to hold the legs in the clamps.

I am not going to display the contents of the storage boxes, so I made and mounted the doors and used some stray PE to make hinges & hasps.


Now, on the frame.



The final racks for the fuel & water cans. These are my tale of woe, but I finally got them done. At one point I had what I thought was good enough & mounted them to the frame. That showed me they should have a cover over them or folks would be stepping on the cans, etc. This made it a lot easier to make the final build of these flimsy parts. The British gas & water tins came from some Verlinden parts and will be reworked a bit to correct the size & pretty up the handles. I have chosen to have 2 fuel cans on one side and a water can on the other.

The fenders have been made from bent Evergreen strip. I wrapped them around a suitable bottle & dumped them into boiling water for 4 minutes, then dumped into cold water for another 4 minutes, then left 'em wrapped to air dry for 24 hours. Maybe overkill, but it works. I attached them to the frame with a few pieces of Evergreen T-bar which were rounded on the frame end & inserted in 1/16" holes drilled in the frame. This made alignment easy & a solid mounting.

If you remember the last post, I mentioned the rear deck seemed too narrow, so I added a plank on each side & this takes the deck right out to the wheels/fenders, which seems about right now. Also I put all the little handles & levers & whatnot on the gun carriage, so it is complete now (which is good because I am so scared I'm gonna break something, like the leg hinges, on this thing if I keep fiddling with it).



Now here it is with everything put together ....







Time now to finish off the underframe details I have been talking about and get on the cab interior so I can get the frame & cab into the paint booth. The center deck & rear deck will remain detached & painted separately. I can also start on the rest of the gun. Once I get the frame/cab painted & the rear/center deck painted, then I can stick them together & get to work on the trolley rails & other things.

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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 02:03 PM UTC
DROOOOOOOOLLLLLLL! Man this is turning out to be one beautiful build. The attention to detail is fantastic. I wish that I could suggest some things but I know squat about these trucks. But I do know a true scratch builder when I see one. I hear by elevate you to the Roo Masters stable of Scratch builders.
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 02:29 PM UTC

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But I do know a true scratch builder when I see one. I hear by elevate you to the Roo Masters stable of Scratch builders.



Animal I must confess that looking at Johns work on this one makes me look like a beginner. Attention to detail is fantastic and the workmanship is excellent as well.

Compromise is made but only because of the limits imposed by the material that must be used. This is a supurb build by a master and I salute you for it John.
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Posted: Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 08:11 PM UTC
Superb, excellent, fantastic, can't even begin to describe my admiration for this model John. I thought I could make trucks but I'm now wondering just what I've been doing for the last 40 years!
Must admit - I had some sketches for this and for the 6pdr portees some years ago, bottled out and made the 6pdr on F60 chassis which is basically the same arrangement as the Bedford kit re-released by Revell.!

Again- a superb build job and great posts that should inspire the rest of us lazy plastic bashers to try harder.
jRatz
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Posted: Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 01:45 PM UTC
It has been a couple weeks. I haven't punted -- I'm still plugging away.

Right now I'm into all the little details & things to get the frame, the cab, the decks, the mounts, and the gun itself done. Still trying to stall off painting anything. None of it is very exciting.

I'll post again in a couple weeks when there is more to show.

John
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2005 - 01:28 AM UTC
Like they all been saying John, mighty fine work. When you sounded like you were getting a little disgusted when the cab set to high then, shoot like Cliff always says, after 6 to 8 times it finally come together right.

I have the same problems myself, and just about anybody that modifies a model, when you change a part one place it effects the parts in other places, and I don't know of anybody that can think of all the consequences it will cause.

What keeps us going is to think that we will one day, be good enough to have everything done, without hafting to go back and redo it, now I know even Cliff would like to do this, and I surely know I would like to.

The only one I don't hear about any redoing is Animal is he that good, or he just never mentions that part.
Kerry
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Posted: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 03:04 PM UTC
No, I didn't give up on this ....

I just waited till 'Roo's computer crapped out so I could sneak this in .... :-) :-) :-)

It's been a while because I got into putting some wiring on the chassis & started breaking things, so I had to put it down & walk away. I also had to face the moulding issues on my 2-pounder & that was work I didn't enjoy.

Well, I've kinda reached the "done building" point and it's all going in the paint booth. Here are the last unpainted pix you'll get -- the engine compartment.





As of now, most major assemblies -- the chassis, the cab, the 2-pounder mount, and the 2-pounder carriage -- have black primer (primer + pre-shade) on them. I'll focus on cleanup of seams, scratches, glue, etc and then start to paint the desert scheme & details. I also have small parts to build/add -- this will be an iterative process as I go back thru my photos & etc ....

I am still enjoying this build, I just had to get past an ugly spot ....

John
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Posted: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 06:09 PM UTC

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No, I didn't give up on this ....

I just waited till 'Roo's computer crapped out so I could sneak this in .... :-) :-) :-)


John



HA! I am back so no more sneaky bits guys :-)

John once again I must say that looks excellent. Like you I have to walk away from some models when things go wrong at times too.

cheers
Roo
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Posted: Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 01:35 PM UTC

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HA! I am back so no more sneaky bits guys :-)
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cheers
Roo



good, I was feeling unsupervised ...

John
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Posted: Thursday, February 24, 2005 - 02:12 PM UTC
John,

I'm just a peon here (in talents anyhow), so I am very impressed. The Guru's have spoken, and I agree with them 100%. Beautiful work, long-arduous work, and I imagine, somewhat painful (both mentally and physically) work. BUT, that's what sets this build well above most I've looked at.

I've thought about scratching something, then realized, maybe I'll just bash something. Your's ain't no bash...sure parts are used from other models, but your latest pics don't show much of that anymore. I can only imagine what the finished product will look like.

Wow, and damn.

In awe,

Mike
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