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My second 1/35 diorama
RIMA
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 06:34 AM UTC
Pavka
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 07:13 AM UTC
too hard for me. Sorry I don't like it. But performance is quite good as for the second diorama
Regards
Pawka
Regards
Pawka
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 07:36 AM UTC
I wish there was an overall shot so I can see how the Sherman ties into the rest of the scene. That wrecked track looks great. I also think I see another tank behind the wall.
Blood and death is always to tough subject. I think you did a great job for #2
Blood and death is always to tough subject. I think you did a great job for #2
RIMA
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 07:42 AM UTC
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I wish there was an overall shot so I can see how the Sherman ties into the rest of the scene. That wrecked track looks great. I also think I see another tank behind the wall.
Blood and death is always to tough subject. I think you did a great job for #2
Have a look at my photos the rest is on it it is quite a big dio 90 cm X 30 cm how many inch is a cm ?
RIMA
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 07:45 AM UTC
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too hard for me. Pawka
if it is too realistic then i take that as a compliment
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Sorry I don't like it.
No problem.
I hope you don't like it because of the blood not the modeling self
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 07:47 AM UTC
90cm x 30cm is approximately 3 feet x 1 foot. Just some sort of overall pic to tie in all the smaller shots would help.
RIMA
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 08:01 AM UTC
I have yet ( i will make 4 other shot ) 1
Martinnnn
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 08:22 AM UTC
Nice picture, gives a great overall view.
It's a pretty "bloody" diorama, but hey, war is hell and much blood is lost in those times.
I think the sherman looks great. Nice touch with the text on the side and the broken track.
Groundwork looks good to me too, especially for your second time. Lots of rubble, I like that, maybe you could make some higher hopes/piles ("hopen" in dutch) of rubble close to the buildings next time.
Overall looks good to me, keep it up, I'm sure we'll see lot's of nice work coming from your direction in the future!
Oh, forgot I think. Can I ask what theater of war this is? Which battle, which year, which front? Looks like Italy to me, but I just want to be sure...
Grt
It's a pretty "bloody" diorama, but hey, war is hell and much blood is lost in those times.
I think the sherman looks great. Nice touch with the text on the side and the broken track.
Groundwork looks good to me too, especially for your second time. Lots of rubble, I like that, maybe you could make some higher hopes/piles ("hopen" in dutch) of rubble close to the buildings next time.
Overall looks good to me, keep it up, I'm sure we'll see lot's of nice work coming from your direction in the future!
Oh, forgot I think. Can I ask what theater of war this is? Which battle, which year, which front? Looks like Italy to me, but I just want to be sure...
Grt
RIMA
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 08:49 AM UTC
I did my resaech it is supposed to be
the 2nd Battalion of the 16th Panzer Artillery Regiment from the 16th Panzer Division in Salerno Italy
I actualy wanted to make it a dio from Sicily but i couldn't find any mentioning of artillery regiment with self-propelled battery Sdkfz 124 Wespe so i had to change place
the 2nd Battalion of the 16th Panzer Artillery Regiment from the 16th Panzer Division in Salerno Italy
I actualy wanted to make it a dio from Sicily but i couldn't find any mentioning of artillery regiment with self-propelled battery Sdkfz 124 Wespe so i had to change place
Pavka
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 10:05 AM UTC
Ok I thought after first pictures there is only a decapitated horse and lake full of blood (maybe blood should be a little more dark when it soaked the ground), now I see a whole well done diorama. Take more care to painting figures and will be great
Regards
Pavka
Regards
Pavka
RIMA
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:25 AM UTC
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Ok I thought after first pictures there is only a decapitated horse
The head of the horse is under a blanket don't want to upset people :-)
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:32 AM UTC
I can't figure out where the horse is located in the overall shot? Is it on the far end?
RIMA
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:55 AM UTC
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I can't figure out where the horse is located in the overall shot? Is it on the far end?
Alan here is the horse
piwi
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 10:49 PM UTC
Very...bloody !
lestweforget
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2004 - 11:09 PM UTC
Hmmm, Rima i honestly cant see the problem in portaying the reality of warfare, hell this is what happens in War, and i think you portayed it honestly, and realisticly, well done mate, good job!
cheers
cheers
wampum
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 01:03 AM UTC
I think it's a very well done diorama, no matter if it is bloody or not. The reality of the war is this ( even worse). I can't say that I don't like the subject of the dio but I should not use such a subject in my dios. How ever, as I said I think this is a very very well done dio. Congrats
RIMA
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 02:44 AM UTC
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90cm x 30cm is approximately 3 feet x 1 foot. Just some sort of overall pic to tie in all the smaller shots would help.
Now i did my home work
sas
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 09:22 AM UTC
For a second dio and the amount of work you put into this piece it`s an excellent work of art,the overall feel,the setting and the workmanship,very well done,
for a second try at a diorama,great stuff Rima!
for a second try at a diorama,great stuff Rima!
druid
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 09:57 AM UTC
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The head of the horse is under a blanket don't want to upset people :-)
But that's realistic if you're aiming for the Godfather theme.
I have no issues with showing things how they are. Very big and impressive dio. Especially when it's "only" your second (the word 'only' is really an understatement).
Verboten
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 10:10 AM UTC
The diorama looks extremely detailed! I noticed that you have propeganda posters, and graffiti on the tank! Great job! What did oyu use to make the cement walls? Overall, I think your second diorama came out VERY well.
KFMagee
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2004 - 10:47 AM UTC
Uh.... interesting.
Aside from the content, let me focus on some tips that would make this second effort a little stronger the next time you are ready to build.
Overall, I LOVE large panorama settings like this. As the central impact subject (bloody horse - medium rare), I would have to say that his torso and body are too posed and stiff. A dead horse would sink and sag more. To achieve this, you will need to heat some joints, and the area around the tail (which even on a bloated corpse would be laying on the ground). Try using the tip of your solder iron on underneath the limbs to weaken and soften the plastic, so you can reposition the animal more naturally. Likewise, you could shave off about 20% of his left side, so that it appears his body has sunk into the dirt.
The buildings are nicely positioned, and the figures relate well, while there needs to be a bit more emphasis on shading and dry-brushing the uniforms. Likewise, the aforementioned pony appear rather "brush painted and spotty"... while you may not have an airbrush (optimal), you could try using oils or thinned layers of acryllic to achieve a bit more gradual shading.
For a second effort, this dio is both far-reaching in complexity and overall tells a good strong story. A little more attention to details will improve future efforts.
Just my opinion of course!
Cheers -
Aside from the content, let me focus on some tips that would make this second effort a little stronger the next time you are ready to build.
Overall, I LOVE large panorama settings like this. As the central impact subject (bloody horse - medium rare), I would have to say that his torso and body are too posed and stiff. A dead horse would sink and sag more. To achieve this, you will need to heat some joints, and the area around the tail (which even on a bloated corpse would be laying on the ground). Try using the tip of your solder iron on underneath the limbs to weaken and soften the plastic, so you can reposition the animal more naturally. Likewise, you could shave off about 20% of his left side, so that it appears his body has sunk into the dirt.
The buildings are nicely positioned, and the figures relate well, while there needs to be a bit more emphasis on shading and dry-brushing the uniforms. Likewise, the aforementioned pony appear rather "brush painted and spotty"... while you may not have an airbrush (optimal), you could try using oils or thinned layers of acryllic to achieve a bit more gradual shading.
For a second effort, this dio is both far-reaching in complexity and overall tells a good strong story. A little more attention to details will improve future efforts.
Just my opinion of course!
Cheers -
Slava45
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Posted: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 - 11:36 AM UTC
i liked this dio. Maybe because it is more realistic in the sense that i dont see many dioramas with horses gushing out blood- presenting the realistic side of war.
There are alot of things i could get picky about (i.e., the horse's tail is shiny as if it were metal, and it is levitating in the air, and that the horses legs are also in the air, and positioned as if it were galloping.),
However, there is one thing that caught my eye, the picture with a burning car in the background-the smoke looks unrealistic- the consistancy (cotton fluff?) of it looks good for smoke, but one must looks at real smoke and compare the two. Using the cotton you can see the fibers, and those are also shiny. And, smoke does not sit in a blob over the source of ignition, it rises into the air.
BUt, for this being only your 2nd 1-35th dio i am still impressed
There are alot of things i could get picky about (i.e., the horse's tail is shiny as if it were metal, and it is levitating in the air, and that the horses legs are also in the air, and positioned as if it were galloping.),
However, there is one thing that caught my eye, the picture with a burning car in the background-the smoke looks unrealistic- the consistancy (cotton fluff?) of it looks good for smoke, but one must looks at real smoke and compare the two. Using the cotton you can see the fibers, and those are also shiny. And, smoke does not sit in a blob over the source of ignition, it rises into the air.
BUt, for this being only your 2nd 1-35th dio i am still impressed
erhntly
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 01:51 AM UTC
Good job Rima ..
It's hard and bloody bud realistic of course. Because war is bad and bloody.
Don't war make love
It's hard and bloody bud realistic of course. Because war is bad and bloody.
Don't war make love
chip250
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 06:43 AM UTC
I love it! It turned out really great. It shows things the way they were. Good job for the second one!
~Chip
~Chip
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Posted: Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 11:36 AM UTC
Rima, that overal picture makes the diorama look SOOOO good...
soem peopel have problems with the blood, but i like it, the women crying the dead is realistic and has to be shown, something people forget to add. i mean, many peopel have outstanding modelign talents, but your model can make me drop a tear, it gets you in the mood if you understand what i mean.
Great job, the ruins and groundwork are very well done. looks liek the real stuff.
Frank
soem peopel have problems with the blood, but i like it, the women crying the dead is realistic and has to be shown, something people forget to add. i mean, many peopel have outstanding modelign talents, but your model can make me drop a tear, it gets you in the mood if you understand what i mean.
Great job, the ruins and groundwork are very well done. looks liek the real stuff.
Frank