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German Boat in water (How-to with water)
Magicbart
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Sunday, December 12, 2004 - 03:32 PM UTC
Here are the explanation of how I made the water in this dio.







For the water, I use envirotex Pour-On product. It s a great product that is very clear. But be carefull because when you mix the two solution included in the kit, bubble appear in the mixture. The solution is to use a Propane Torch. Becarefull !!! Not for kids. You lite the torch and just warm a little bit the surface that you have put on your dio. When you put the mixture on the dio, you can not put more then 1/8 inch. It will dry after 24hr. When it is dry, put another layer, and continue until you have the desire effect.



PROBLEM: When I did my Dio, I realise that the sticks (sorry dont remember the name in english, a paddle I think ?) that the german are holding in the water are about 1/4 inch deep and I can t put more then 1/8 inch of the mixture each time. The boat cannot stand on it self ???

So I decide to try something. I taped wires in every direction as seen on the photo and a placed the boat with the figurines ont top of it.



I started to pour the Envirotex Pour-On and after4 or 5 days, the surface was almost at the same level as the boat. So I cut the wires and took them . Finally I pour-on another few layers and I had a clear transparent water.

Each time, I used the propane torch for the bubble and protected the boat and figurine with a metal plate so that they dont melt.

For the waves, I used a clear acrylic gel and a little spoon. After it dryed, It was solid as a rock and still transparent.

Try It, it s really fun and water makes a dio more real and alive.

Ciao

MagicBart #:-)

Also see this link page 2 for more explanation.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/41102&page=2
Plasticbattle
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Posted: Monday, December 13, 2004 - 11:53 AM UTC
Thanks for the explanation and tips of when you did your water, Magicbart. I actually was wondering how you placed the boat so the oars/paddles/sticks were so deep in the water. The wires are a good idea. I thought you must have used some clear rod from a windscreen sprue and glued it underneath the boat.
Im glad you explained this method in detail, as making water must be one of the most asked questions. now theres another good link to show folks. Maybe you could send this Slodder as an article.
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Monday, December 13, 2004 - 01:37 PM UTC
So Magicbart do you use the torch to melt the surface of the mixture smooth?
Magicbart
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Posted: Monday, December 13, 2004 - 02:42 PM UTC

Quoted Text

I thought you must have used some clear rod from a windscreen sprue and glued it underneath the boat.



Hi Plasticbattle,

I though of that and I was scare that a judge with bionic eyes could see it. I did not take the chance.


Quoted Text

So Magicbart do you use the torch to melt the surface of the mixture smooth?



Hello ShermiesRule,

Actually, the torch is for the bubbles in the mixture. And I use the torch for each layer I put on. It s not the heat that makes the bubble disapear, but from what a read on the instruction, its the high heat gaz that does the magic. When it dryes, it become realy smooth by it self and really solid.

Try it ... it is like Magic... #:-)

By the way... When you are waiting for the mixture to dry, put a reverse empty box on it, so that nothing stick on it ...like dust.

Ciao

MagicBart #:-)
pfc
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Posted: Monday, December 13, 2004 - 04:02 PM UTC
Hey Magicbart, that water looks really great its nice of you to share youre technique.

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For the waves, I used a clear acrylic gel and a little spoon. After it dryed, It was solid as a rock and still transparent.


Never thought of using this is it easy to work with.
bowjunkie35
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Posted: Monday, December 13, 2004 - 04:39 PM UTC
Wow! This is a great idea! Thanks for sharing. I am going to have to try this one.

We also use a propane torch on the seams of our acrylic cases to remove bubbles from the adhesive. I imagine it uses the same oprinciple.

One question. How would this product work if you tinted it.? In other words, could you stain it to give the water a muddy look while wet? I can make perfect solid muddy water, but I wonder how it would work if the water was brown, but still semi-transparent. May have to give it a go!


falconbbs
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Posted: Monday, December 13, 2004 - 07:06 PM UTC
Magicbart, that's a nice dio and technique you have there!. Here In Thailand we don't have much materails to use, so my modeler relied on a simpler material, i.e, clear resin, to simulate water :







Magicbart
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Posted: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 - 01:02 PM UTC
HI all,

Thanks for the comments

PFC:
The acrylic gel is easy to use and the dry time is short. The product is white but become really clear when completly dry. You can use a small spoon (I use the spoons use in the kitchen for measuring things, I took the smaller one) or a brush or any tools that you feel confortable using to make waves.


bowjunkie35:

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One question. How would this product work if you tinted it.?



From comments of friends that used that product, I know that you can put colors in it and have great result. I have never tried it, but eventualy I will. Just test it or try it on a small dio (I have a dio that I use for testing stuff....like water effect, snow, mud,etc.)


falconbbs:
Great dio, It s fun to see the same kit but in a different situation and different heads

Great job, like your waves.

Did you have problem with the hands (for them to fit with the stick?. I know I did. I even change the hands on one of them.



Got to go work on a dio of D-Day in 1/35 scale, with the full 101st easy company with 124 jumpers. The dio is about 5 feet long and 3 feet large and it will have an entire city in the middle.... MY STORY IS A BIG JOKE. Im actualy working on a single figure... #:-) #:-) #:-) #:-)

CIAO all

Magicbart
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