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Panzer iv Ausf.G
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 02:34 AM UTC
Hi,

I just finished painting my DML Pz4 ausf.G (Kursk) and I like you guys to comment on...nitpicks are very much welcome...

BTW, it still has to undergo weathering....

Without schuerzen



With schuerzen..


side view






Thanks...
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 03:21 AM UTC
Looks great. For that one panel on the right side that has no camouflage I would have painted it even more different shade just to emphasize it is a replacement panel.
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 03:33 AM UTC
A very good looking Pzr IV Ausf G Arvin. Just a few 'nitpicks' then...
The turret schurtzen are to high, they should be almost flush with the top of the hull with just a small gap all around. You have mounted two headlights, but the Ausf G didn't carry two headlights, just one, but not the Novak light (the little manouvre light on the left front mudguard). The added armour plate on the bow glacisplate and upper (drivers visionport and MG port) plate show this to be an early version, but the barrel has the later double muzzelbreak.
I like your camouflage, very well excecuted.

Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 03:40 AM UTC
Alan thanks for the tip...I'm also thinking of that..hmmm...another option would probably be to weather the other panels leaving the un-camoflaged skirt cleaner. All schuerzens are not yet glued so I can still do some changes...

I'll update this post once I perform pastel chalk weathering...

BTW, the tank is supposed to be from the I./Pz.Rgt.35 in Operation Zitadelle.
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 04:02 AM UTC
Hi Henk,


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The turret schurtzen are to high, they should be almost flush with the top of the hull with just a small gap all around


I really had a hard time attaching that turret schurtzen...hmmm...I'll try to fix that.


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You have mounted two headlights, but the Ausf G didn't carry two headlights, just one


Which should I retain, left or right?


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but the barrel has the later double muzzelbreak.


I noticed that... the other barrel that came with the kit is for the F1/F2 (kwk 40 L/43)...the muzzle break is for the H-J version....maybe it could pass for replacement(?)...similar to the other schurtzen... :-)

I'll update this post once I complete the changes....

Thanks again
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 04:13 AM UTC
Nice! I like it! I must agree with the others for the Schurzen. It should be a little bit lowered. I don't know but I think the Schurzen plates were attached using hooks? I have here the Tamiya Panzer IV H with Schurzen and the plates were attached using hooks. I don't know if this goes the same with the J.
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 04:33 AM UTC
Hi warthog!

Nice panzer, I like what you did with the camo (after our little chat in your thread about the camouflage scheme)

Grt
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 04:37 AM UTC
Great Job, I think it needs some weathering though...
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 05:27 AM UTC
Nice paint job, love the swirly patterns on the skirts. Don't know about the headlights, the bolted on front armour makes it look like a reworked early model (E? F1?), like the Bovingdon one, does that affect headlight placement?
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 06:00 AM UTC
That's a beautiful Panzer, Arvin. I like the camouflage pattern. Wow! Those "leche flan" armored skirts (armored skirt made from custard pans) looks beautiful. I can't wait to see it weathered.

I'm not familiar with the intricacies of what-goes-where-in-what version but the turret armored skirt rides a little bit too high.

But overall, I like it. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy better than mine. Idol Warthog (bows low)

One question though so I can complete painting my own Panzer. What should be the color of the gun-cleaning rods?

Angela
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 07:00 AM UTC

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You have mounted two headlights, but the Ausf G didn't carry two headlights, just one

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Which should I retain, left or right?


The single headlight was mounted on the lefthand side.
As the bolt-on armour and non application of zimmerit point to this being an early version, if you want to be really accurate, you should try to change the muzzlebrake to a single baffel one. You can swap for the KwK(L/43) with the single baffel as this was fitted in the first batches of the Ausf. G. the (L/48) not being fitted untill the next year.

Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 07:45 AM UTC
That looks great mate!
But one thing, the headlights, are they connected with a wire? I dont see it.

If not, it will be good for the next time to connect the headlight(s) with a wire.

So, if they connected with a wire............. I'm sorry...

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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 09:05 AM UTC
Hi,
I like it, and anyway the Mk IV Lang(long barrel G-J)
had 5 diiferent muzzlebreaks you could use.

I have seen some pics with the turret skirting sitting a little high, so that kills one nitpik.
some fieldshops still either welded or bolted additional armor on the front even after the front armor was increased to 80mm.

Too many people think that the German were sticklers to Wehrmacht rules when it came to how Panzer were painted, skirted or upgraded. Well, they were not. Discretion was left to individual units within reason.

You did a great job and you should be proud of yourself.

Chris
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 09:44 AM UTC

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like it, and anyway the Mk IV Lang(long barrel G-J)
had 5 diiferent muzzlebreaks you could use.

I have seen some pics with the turret skirting sitting a little high, so that kills one nitpik.
some fieldshops still either welded or bolted additional armor on the front even after the front armor was increased to 80mm.

Too many people think that the German were sticklers to Wehrmacht rules when it came to how Panzer were painted, skirted or upgraded. Well, they were not. Discretion was left to individual units within reason.

You did a great job and you should be proud of yourself.


You are right to say that German Armour was subject to much localised (i.e. unit based) 'upgrading' and off course any vehicle brought back for re-fit or repair had the latest upgrades added in the workshop/factory.
However as this is the Rivet review where models are giving closer scrutiny, and the model involved is not a specific vehicle from a specific unit at a specific location, we can only assume that it is a generic Ausf. G. In that case the ' changes might have been made in the field ' does, in my point of view, not apply.
The comments in this tread are not to knock the model, which is very good, but to point out little details which we think are not 100 % correct. That's why you post in this Forum in the first place.. If you just want to show a model without any nit picking it would go in the 'Armour' Forum.
Alright, I'll get of my soap box and return the tread to the fine model that it's all about in the first place..

Cheers
Henk
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 10:01 AM UTC
Hi Arvin ...Nice job so far on the Panzer IV ..As for the head lights ..most G's had both Bosch lights and was only removed on the late models ..The bolted on extra armor was very common on the G's and even early H's . Both the L43 and L48 were used on the G models so don't change that if you don't want to...as for the tear drop muzzel brake ...not many were used and were on very early models. So other than the Shutzen being a bit too high and I know they are a pain to fit ..the rest looks like a G to me .. Now weather this baby up and let's see more pictures.

happy holidays
Rick
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 11:45 AM UTC
Hi guys,

Thanks for the inputs all were very helpful....I'll complete this pzr4 ( w/c I actually shelved a few months ago for an Early Tiger I :-) )

BTW, after looking over some of my references I saw one pic of a late production Ausf.G (still using split hatched coupolas) still use bolted/welded additional armor to the glacis. They have two bosch headlights.

As for the wire...I know they are there but I just can seem to see where they end/enter the hull...that's why I have not placed any yet...


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One question though so I can complete painting my own Panzer. What should be the color of the gun-cleaning rods?


Angela, for the cleaning rods, I usually color them metallic gray and then weather them with some burnt umber...to be honest I don't know the color



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I have here the Tamiya Panzer IV H with Schurzen and the plates were attached using hooks. I don't know if this goes the same with the J?


Ralph, are you refering to the turret skirts? I'm not sure but late G's and early H are almost the same....could you post some pics...

Cheers
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2004 - 10:42 PM UTC
I think all external tools should be hull colour, but I tend to use artistic licence & paint them the way Warthog suggests. It makes the vehicle look more interesting IMHO. I paint fire extinguishers red for the same reason.
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