Hi guys, Just starting on Academy's Achilles and have been trying unsuccessfully to find references for some other colour to paint it. Anyone have any ideas, or am I resigned to having it blend in with every other green tank on my shelves ? :-)
(btw this kit and the Stuart have upped my opinion of Academy no-end. It seems the days of cheap Tamiya knock-offs are long gone)
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Achilles - green, green or ...... green?
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2002 - 02:36 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2002 - 05:24 PM UTC
If I remember right, the Egyptians had some Achilles in the '48 and '56 Wars. The British Commonwealth Division had some with them when they arrived in Korea, but I don't think that they were used. That gives dark sand and olive drab
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:29 PM UTC
Below is a photo of a M10 in Pusan in 1951.
The caption on the website states:
Arrival of self-propelled gun of the 25th Brigade at Pusan, Korea, 25 April 1951". It was sent in by Peter Brown who comments: "note the two-tone colour scheme, and the neatly shaded 41 on the arm-of-service square. The M10 is called ANTOINETTE and the 25th Brigade marking is already painted on. The Jeep in the foreground has its AoS mark on a separate plate. Wording on bar above is 'Z CDN MC GP' as far as I can see, and its serial where visible is '89.167'
Another option is a winter whitewash.
Cheers,
Linz
The caption on the website states:
Arrival of self-propelled gun of the 25th Brigade at Pusan, Korea, 25 April 1951". It was sent in by Peter Brown who comments: "note the two-tone colour scheme, and the neatly shaded 41 on the arm-of-service square. The M10 is called ANTOINETTE and the 25th Brigade marking is already painted on. The Jeep in the foreground has its AoS mark on a separate plate. Wording on bar above is 'Z CDN MC GP' as far as I can see, and its serial where visible is '89.167'
Another option is a winter whitewash.
Cheers,
Linz
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2002 - 08:52 PM UTC
Hi there
You could try using countershading on the long gun barrel. I know that was done on Fireflies, and I'm not sure if it was done for the M10s with 17lber.
As per your remarks on the Honey. A lot of folks have put forth good arguments that it's in part a knock-off. See Hyperscale and Track Link for more!
Cheers
Andy
You could try using countershading on the long gun barrel. I know that was done on Fireflies, and I'm not sure if it was done for the M10s with 17lber.
As per your remarks on the Honey. A lot of folks have put forth good arguments that it's in part a knock-off. See Hyperscale and Track Link for more!
Cheers
Andy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 04:05 AM UTC
Thanks for the info........ I'll have to see what I can find on the Egyptian examples, or maybe a three-view of the Canadian camo. That photo is the only mention of a camo pattern I've seen on the net so-far tho, so I don't like my chances....
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 04:20 AM UTC
For all my ww2 british european vehicles I use humbrol 159 or acrylicos vallejo russian uniform for the green it is THE best scale match you will find
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 04:42 AM UTC
Here's a nice shot of a typical European theater camo pattern. Note the 17lb.er's barrel counter shaded.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 01:16 PM UTC
Thanks Kencelot, thats just the sort of thing I had in mind, But I could find no reference to an Achilles painted that way.
All searches for better pics of the Canadian scheme have drawn a blank unfortunately.........
Thanks for the help anyway
All searches for better pics of the Canadian scheme have drawn a blank unfortunately.........
Thanks for the help anyway
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 10:11 PM UTC
Hey there guys!
I'm not sure about an Achilles with the black overspray pattern. That was used by some US forces, but the application of black on a green/OD base by the Brits was on softskins as far as I know. That was the famous 'mickey mouse' ears pattern.
I have not seen that pattern on a TD. That's not to say it didn't exist, but I haven't seen it yet. I'll look at Terrence Wise's book when I get a chance and try to get you more information.
Cheers
Andy
I'm not sure about an Achilles with the black overspray pattern. That was used by some US forces, but the application of black on a green/OD base by the Brits was on softskins as far as I know. That was the famous 'mickey mouse' ears pattern.
I have not seen that pattern on a TD. That's not to say it didn't exist, but I haven't seen it yet. I'll look at Terrence Wise's book when I get a chance and try to get you more information.
Cheers
Andy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 - 10:33 PM UTC
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Here's a nice shot of a typical European theater camo pattern. Note the 17lb.er's barrel counter shaded.
Ken--that is one beautiful picture. Is that taken at the British tank museum?
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 - 06:01 AM UTC
I doubt there would have been any Achilles in North Africa, but the Brits might have had some Wolverines. I'm sure someone can tell us, I couldn't find anything pointing either way, but the Wolverine was available as early as 1942. Perhaps there were some Achilles very late in the campaign.....I'm just going by the dates listed in the references. If they did have them in the desert, then they probably weren't painted green.......
Nic
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