greetings,
need answer as to when the m36 became known as the m36 jackson-all references i have make no mention of the m36 being known as the "jackson"
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c6o
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c6o
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:42 AM UTC
Drader
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 01:55 AM UTC
A long-running mystery, it doesn't seem to have been used during WW2. Then tank destroyers seem to have attracted spurious names, the M10 was never officially the Wolverine, and the M10 17pdr wasn't called Achilles either as far as I know.
Martinnnn
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:43 AM UTC
I've also read about the nickname "Slogger" for the M36....maybe "Jackson" is from the Korean war and Slogger from the second world war?
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c6o
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 02:44 AM UTC
let's see if somebody comes up with something-you're quite correct-it is sort of a mistery.
cheers
c6o
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c6o
GunTruck
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 04:10 AM UTC
The M36 was not officially nicknamed "General Jackson", nor "Slugger" when in use with troops. The same as calling the M4 Medium Tank series "General Sherman".
"Sherman" was a tag from British Troops that stuck. Same for dubbing the M10 - "Wolverine". "Jackson" and "Slugger" were less-popular tags from troops as well. As time marched forward, these nicknames became more appealing and stuck to the vehicles.
During that time (late WW II), newer tanks entering service like the Pershing and Chaffee, picked up the US Army practice of dubbing them after famous American Generals - but the practice was inconsistent before then. Example: the M3 Medium Tank was dubbed "General Grant" in British service, and the American model would be dubbed "General Lee". In keeping with the US Civil War theme, the M3 and M5 Light Tanks would be dubbed "General Stuart" - except for the M8 HMC which would be dubbed "General Scott". I personally think "Scott" is less known/popular because, 'who is General Scott?' syndrome...
While all of these nicknames were being applied, vehicles like the M12 155mm GMC didn't pick up one. I wonder which famous American Artillery General might have been selected for the M12. The M18 HellCat didn't get included in this trend either.
It is interesting to ponder...
Gunnie
"Sherman" was a tag from British Troops that stuck. Same for dubbing the M10 - "Wolverine". "Jackson" and "Slugger" were less-popular tags from troops as well. As time marched forward, these nicknames became more appealing and stuck to the vehicles.
During that time (late WW II), newer tanks entering service like the Pershing and Chaffee, picked up the US Army practice of dubbing them after famous American Generals - but the practice was inconsistent before then. Example: the M3 Medium Tank was dubbed "General Grant" in British service, and the American model would be dubbed "General Lee". In keeping with the US Civil War theme, the M3 and M5 Light Tanks would be dubbed "General Stuart" - except for the M8 HMC which would be dubbed "General Scott". I personally think "Scott" is less known/popular because, 'who is General Scott?' syndrome...
While all of these nicknames were being applied, vehicles like the M12 155mm GMC didn't pick up one. I wonder which famous American Artillery General might have been selected for the M12. The M18 HellCat didn't get included in this trend either.
It is interesting to ponder...
Gunnie
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 05:19 AM UTC
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While all of these nicknames were being applied, vehicles like the M12 155mm GMC didn't pick up one. I wonder which famous American Artillery General might have been selected for the M12. The M18 HellCat didn't get included in this trend either
Jim, did any of our SP guns, like the M12, get generals names? The only SP gun that got a nickname was the Priest, and I don't know if that was only used by the Brits or not.
Seems that if any gun got named Slogger, it should be the M12.
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 06:43 AM UTC
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"Sherman" was a tag from British Troops that stuck.
Another interesting story I heard was the reason the 17lber armed Sherman was called the Firefly was from General Sherman's Armies in the south tendancy to burn stuff
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:10 AM UTC
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"Sherman" was a tag from British Troops that stuck.
Another interesting story I heard was the reason the 17lber armed Sherman was called the Firefly was from General Sherman's Armies in the south tendancy to burn stuff
Me too - I wondered if anyone else had heard that theory?
Rodger - "Priest" stuck to the M7 HMC because of the pulpit-like cupola - and again it was from our friends across the pond. I believe had I first encountered the tank, I wouldn't have come up with the pulpit analogy.
Fascinating are the British Troops.It seems when artillery ordnance picks up a nickname, it's not along the same convention that the Tank Forces followed. The big 280mm Cannon didn't pickup a nickname until "Atomic Annie" after lobbing that nuclear shell in the 1950's. And, most still call the M65 "Atomic Annie" - though that was the nickname of only that particular cannon.
For a very brief time, the big 8-inch Howitzers were dubbed "Big Shot" - but just like Dodge Motor Company's tag for the WC-62/63 1 1/2-ton Cargo Truck - it didn't stick.
The M107 picked up the "Cyclops" tag - unofficially. It must not have stuck because the British didn't come up with it!
The M108/M109 series of self-propelled artillery ordnance didn't pickup any nicknames until the M109A6 "Paladin" came out. However, "Paladin" isn't considered a nickname that stretches all the way back to the original vehicles.
The 105mm Howitzers, as popular and widely used as they are, don't have a nickname either - but the dimunitive atomic artillery round "Davy Crockett" got an official one right off the bat!
Same with the famous artillery rocket forces: Father John, Little John, Honest John, Chopper John, Lance, Pershing I & II, Dart, etc...
Gunnie
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 07:35 AM UTC
There was an Ordnance publication in early '45 that listed names for all kinds of stuff but notes that "A War Department Circular prohibits the use of nicknames in official correspondence or publications." It starts off saying this was just a trend started by Ordnancemen overseas and in training. Some names are familiar and belivable, but others may just be the author's wishful thinking.
M5 light tank - General Stuart
M22 airborne tank - Locust
M36 GMC - Slugger
M7 HMC - Priest
M37 HMC - New Priest
240mm howitzer - Black Dragon
8-inch gun - Black Panther
8-inch howitzer - Gargantua
155mm gun - Long Tom
60mm jungle mortar - Tom Thumb
2.36-inch RL - Bazooka
M28/M29 cargo carrier - Weasel
M18 GMC - Hellcat
M25 tank transporter - Dragon Wagon
M8 A/C - Greyhound
M16/M17 MGMC - Viper
M12 GMC - King Kong
155mm howitzer - Grizzley Bear [sic]
60mm mortar - Ferret
81mm mortar - Mongoose
M4 75mm aircraft gun - Stud
105mm howitzer - Moccasin
KL
M5 light tank - General Stuart
M22 airborne tank - Locust
M36 GMC - Slugger
M7 HMC - Priest
M37 HMC - New Priest
240mm howitzer - Black Dragon
8-inch gun - Black Panther
8-inch howitzer - Gargantua
155mm gun - Long Tom
60mm jungle mortar - Tom Thumb
2.36-inch RL - Bazooka
M28/M29 cargo carrier - Weasel
M18 GMC - Hellcat
M25 tank transporter - Dragon Wagon
M8 A/C - Greyhound
M16/M17 MGMC - Viper
M12 GMC - King Kong
155mm howitzer - Grizzley Bear [sic]
60mm mortar - Ferret
81mm mortar - Mongoose
M4 75mm aircraft gun - Stud
105mm howitzer - Moccasin
KL
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:39 AM UTC
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There was an Ordnance publication in early '45 that listed names for all kinds of stuff but notes that "A War Department Circular prohibits the use of nicknames in official correspondence or publications." It starts off saying this was just a trend started by Ordnancemen overseas and in training. Some names are familiar and belivable, but others may just be the author's wishful thinking.
M5 light tank - General Stuart
M22 airborne tank - Locust
M36 GMC - Slugger
M7 HMC - Priest
M37 HMC - New Priest
240mm howitzer - Black Dragon
8-inch gun - Black Panther
8-inch howitzer - Gargantua
155mm gun - Long Tom
60mm jungle mortar - Tom Thumb
2.36-inch RL - Bazooka
M28/M29 cargo carrier - Weasel
M18 GMC - Hellcat
M25 tank transporter - Dragon Wagon
M8 A/C - Greyhound
M16/M17 MGMC - Viper
M12 GMC - King Kong
155mm howitzer - Grizzley Bear [sic]
60mm mortar - Ferret
81mm mortar - Mongoose
M4 75mm aircraft gun - Stud
105mm howitzer - Moccasin
KL
Thanks Kurt for weighing in!
I can see the need for prohibition with some of these "nicknames" - "King Kong" and "Gargantua" - hmmm. I don't think I could keep a straight face bustin' out with my Ferret and Mongoose to backup my Studs...
The guys here on site could have a whole lotta fun with these monikers...
Gunnie
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Posted: Friday, January 21, 2005 - 08:39 AM UTC
As an artilleryman for quite some time, (1972-1993) I recall almost all our ordnance being referred to by the Model number, for example the 155mm SP was always called either an M109 or simply a 109. Same was true for the 8" SP M110. The 105mm howitzer introduced during the Vietnam era M102 was always referred to as a "one -oh-deuce".
As variants of the SPs, such as the -A1, etc entered service, we simply referred to them that way. I know that the 155mm gun from WW II was very often referred to as a Long Tom as indicated.
The only other nickname I ever recall was applied to the M114 155mm Towed Howitzer. Everyone always called that "the Pig". If you've ever had to "shift trails" (move the howitzer so it can fire beyond it's normal left and right deflection travel limits), you'd know why!
Tom
As variants of the SPs, such as the -A1, etc entered service, we simply referred to them that way. I know that the 155mm gun from WW II was very often referred to as a Long Tom as indicated.
The only other nickname I ever recall was applied to the M114 155mm Towed Howitzer. Everyone always called that "the Pig". If you've ever had to "shift trails" (move the howitzer so it can fire beyond it's normal left and right deflection travel limits), you'd know why!
Tom
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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2005 - 05:17 PM UTC
I heard that the name "Jackson" was an invention by Tamiya back when they released the kit in the early 70s.
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2005 - 03:41 AM UTC
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While all of these nicknames were being applied, vehicles like the M12 155mm GMC didn't pick up one. I wonder which famous American Artillery General might have been selected for the M12. The M18 HellCat didn't get included in this trend either.
im fairly sure this is because those weapons were never used by british forces, so the names were never applied.
british forces didnt need artillery or armoured cars from the US as much as we needed tanks, plus ours were as good or better than anything out there anyway
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joe
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Posted: Monday, January 31, 2005 - 03:58 AM UTC
As far as I know, we only gave tanks the names of Generals. Just to muddy the water some more, it's possible the Priest didn't get it's name from having a pulpit. The British army already had Deacon and Bishop SP guns and later had a Sexton, so there seems to have been a system of clerical names in use.
We did get some armoured cars - the Greyhound (M8) and Staghound (T17) and nearly the Boarhound, so the system there is pretty obvious.
Tank destroyers are another murky area, it doesn't look like the Wolverine and Achilles nicknames for the M10 were used during WWII.
We did get some armoured cars - the Greyhound (M8) and Staghound (T17) and nearly the Boarhound, so the system there is pretty obvious.
Tank destroyers are another murky area, it doesn't look like the Wolverine and Achilles nicknames for the M10 were used during WWII.
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