Hi guys
i'm currently building a DML jagdpanther and i must say its a great and fun build!
all went smoothly until now when i tried dry fitting the upper and lower hull together and i found 2 big holes at the engine deck as can be seen here :
i think the engine grille is too short or something...
what can i do now??? cut up some plastic and cover up the holes? now wouldnt that be superbly unrealistic???
i'm at my wits end..and tank terror is gonna end soon!!
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Help on my jagd
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 03:52 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 05:53 AM UTC
looks really strange, perhaps you try to fill it with putty or try to scratchbuild the grill
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 07:50 AM UTC
have you checked your instruction sheet to see if anything goes in place there? maybe missed soemthing? because on the tamiya jagd i have, the grills are hte same but they rise and becoem kinda like a flat bar in that area.
i think your missing a piece or something.
Frank
i think your missing a piece or something.
Frank
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 08:28 AM UTC
Maybe this can help.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 02:46 PM UTC
like the pics siegmund gave, you can see what i meant after the grill. your grills arnt to short but your missign a piece, so look on your sprue and plans to see if its there, if to, a little sprue, putty and glue should do the job to cover it.
Frank
Frank
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 03:21 PM UTC
maybe i'm being vague....
but mine is a early jagdpanther and on references and pics i've seen... the grilles 'reaches' out to the end of the tank... so there isnt a 'flat bar' in that area...
and i've checked for hours in the kit and i've not missed out any parts!
darn...i've already built it as a early jagd...its too late to convert to the late type now!!!
thanks for the pics and advice guys
but mine is a early jagdpanther and on references and pics i've seen... the grilles 'reaches' out to the end of the tank... so there isnt a 'flat bar' in that area...
and i've checked for hours in the kit and i've not missed out any parts!
darn...i've already built it as a early jagd...its too late to convert to the late type now!!!
thanks for the pics and advice guys
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 04:26 PM UTC
As far as I can see, all Panther G's (upon who's chassis the Jadgpanther was based) had a narrow flat area between the rear radiator grill and the rear plate. Dragon's new 1/72 scale early Jagdpanther also has this feature, even though these rear grills on your model seem to be of a diferent style as seen on Panther G's and Jagdpanthers. I would go with filling these gaps with plastic strip and hiding these areas as much as possible with extra gear, stowage, or tank riders.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 04:45 PM UTC
i guess DML screwed up on this one...
i'll go with the plastic strip advice..thanks people!
i'll go with the plastic strip advice..thanks people!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 05:26 PM UTC
Your problem is not limited to that jagdpanther, in fact, I also experienced that gap in my DML Panther Ausf. A late (Normady).
There are no missing part, I suggest that you just fill that part with putty or some plastic sheet. You are also right that DML really screwed all thier panther variants....
There are no missing part, I suggest that you just fill that part with putty or some plastic sheet. You are also right that DML really screwed all thier panther variants....
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 05:26 PM UTC
Your problem is not limited to that jagdpanther, in fact, I also experienced that gap in my DML Panther Ausf. A late (Normady).
There are no missing part, I suggest that you just fill that part with putty or some plastic sheet. You are also right that DML really screwed all thier panther variants....
There are no missing part, I suggest that you just fill that part with putty or some plastic sheet. You are also right that DML really screwed all thier panther variants....
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Posted: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 08:56 PM UTC
what a waste on an otherwise great kit.. i had alot of fun building this!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 05:17 AM UTC
Spiritseye -
Sorry you had to be the one to get "burned" on this, but you've saved others of us some grief who have this DML kit and need to know about the problem. There seems to be a "tab" just inside your gap that looks like something was meant to be mounted on/to it. I think withwhat you've shown us to this point that your build will come out excellent anyway. Very nicely done. I was going to build this DML JagdPanther for "Tank Terror", but with only a week to go, I don't have the time to do the kit much less any modifications. Guess I' ll save it for later when I have more time to work it as it does look like an enjoyable and otherwise, a good kit. Thanks for your "sacrifice", we owe you one.
Blade48mrd
Sorry you had to be the one to get "burned" on this, but you've saved others of us some grief who have this DML kit and need to know about the problem. There seems to be a "tab" just inside your gap that looks like something was meant to be mounted on/to it. I think withwhat you've shown us to this point that your build will come out excellent anyway. Very nicely done. I was going to build this DML JagdPanther for "Tank Terror", but with only a week to go, I don't have the time to do the kit much less any modifications. Guess I' ll save it for later when I have more time to work it as it does look like an enjoyable and otherwise, a good kit. Thanks for your "sacrifice", we owe you one.
Blade48mrd
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 06:35 AM UTC
Well I have been looking through a few books and have come to the conclusion that there is supposed to be a space between the grills and the back of the hull ...this will be covered over by the engine grills ...I must admit that the gap looks quite wide(I'd add a strip or two of styrene), but if you really look at pictures of both early Jadgpanthers and panthers the gap is there...Now you have to buy the engine deck screens for both a Panther A and a G because no one has thought to make a set for these early Jadgs.. Don't give up on your project ...
Rick
edit.... I was looking at more pictures and you should build up a rectangular frame of styrene to go into theat space and add the screen over it ...I'll try and scan a picture of it but no promises (computer challenged here)
Rick
edit.... I was looking at more pictures and you should build up a rectangular frame of styrene to go into theat space and add the screen over it ...I'll try and scan a picture of it but no promises (computer challenged here)
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 07:10 AM UTC
I scanned the picture (not the best but hey) I tried to add it to my photos but they are down for maintence...If you want me to e-mail it to you just ask if not I'll add it to my gallery as soon as possible.
Rick
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 09:21 AM UTC
The Bear is correct, the gap is SUPPOSED to be there. It is partially covered by the screens.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 10:14 AM UTC
I have to disagree about the gap thing. D's and A's had a narrow gap between the rear grill and the rear plate. G's and Jadgpanthers had a redesigned rear deck and the grills were narrower than on the previous models leaving a wider space between the rear grill and rear plate. This space is covered by a section of armor plate and are not covered by any part of the grills or grill screens. I use as my reference Panther Medium Tank , Panther Varients, by Osprey, and Squadron/Signal Panther in Action, and Dragon's new 1/72 Early Jagdpanther.
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Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 07:39 AM UTC
Hello biggles ..sorry but the very first Jadgpathers used the panther A type air intakes at the back of the hull and not those seen on the panther G or later Jadgpanthers ...I have added a scan of the back end of a panther but it is exactly the same on the type of Jadgpanther that Danny is building...I used the panther pictures because they are the clearest but I can see the same gap on pictures of the Jadgpanther in the Saumur collection.Look at the front picture on the book Panzers in the Saumur #2 also you have a pretty good picture on page 38 from the same book.
Rick
P.s. Danny I hope this scan helps you out .
Rick
P.s. Danny I hope this scan helps you out .
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Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 03:32 PM UTC
So Dragon got their brand new 1/72 early Jagdpanther wrong too? It has the engine deck characteristic of G's. Maybe it represents a late early Jagdpanther. LOL!!
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Posted: Friday, January 28, 2005 - 06:23 AM UTC
Well Biggles, that just might be the case ..with so few vehicles ever produced I'm sure each vehicle was a little different than the one before ..Some where along the line someone decided to change the intake louvers to the G model so you might be right ...I know the first vehicles with the 654th were like the 1/35th Dragon kit though.
Rick
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Posted: Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 04:09 PM UTC
I would use streched sprue and elmers glue
then cover with etch covers!
had the same knda problem wish I new
how to post pics here!!
Ron
then cover with etch covers!
had the same knda problem wish I new
how to post pics here!!
Ron
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Posted: Sunday, January 30, 2005 - 12:46 AM UTC
Thanks guys! i fixed the problem...
i used some spare plastic from the box and cut it to size and glued em in the gaps..
1 thing i'm afraid now is...i do not know if i can finish this beast in time for Tank Terror
i used some spare plastic from the box and cut it to size and glued em in the gaps..
1 thing i'm afraid now is...i do not know if i can finish this beast in time for Tank Terror