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Jagdpanther Debut
Chief
Washington, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:37 AM UTC
When was the Jagdpanthers first use in combat and in what theater? Also, other than the barrel, what distinguishes an early version vice a late version? Danke Mein Herren!
Folgore
Canada
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:48 AM UTC
All I found was that it was first produced in February 1944. It probably first saw action agaisnt the Russians, then. The late version had a two-part barrel, but I take it you knew that. Some Panthers had large bolt on mantlets, while others had smaller collars. I think this was due more to where the Jagdpanther was made then to what time it was made, though.
Nic
Nic
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Washington, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2002 - 04:58 AM UTC
So I take it that the Revell early kit with the color examples depicting its use in Russia in late 42 early 43 are a little "INCORRECT"?
Linz
Australia
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2002 - 05:23 AM UTC
From Osprey's Panther Varients 1942-45 it states:
03 Aug 42: Decision to make a self propelled mount for the 88mm using a Panther chassis
10 Nov 42: Full scale model finished
05 Jan 43: Technical design points are established
06 Mar 43: Meeting with Hitler and examination of gun mantlet
01 May 43: Waffenamt specification released
04 May 43: Design is changed from a Panther II chassis to a Panther I chassis
Oct 43: First example finished
Nov 43: Second example finished
Jager-Abt 654 was the first unit to recieve Jagdpanthers and were the first to use them in the West. In Jan 45 two companies were sent to the Eastern Front.
So yes, that scheme is wrong!
Cheers,
Linz
03 Aug 42: Decision to make a self propelled mount for the 88mm using a Panther chassis
10 Nov 42: Full scale model finished
05 Jan 43: Technical design points are established
06 Mar 43: Meeting with Hitler and examination of gun mantlet
01 May 43: Waffenamt specification released
04 May 43: Design is changed from a Panther II chassis to a Panther I chassis
Oct 43: First example finished
Nov 43: Second example finished
Jager-Abt 654 was the first unit to recieve Jagdpanthers and were the first to use them in the West. In Jan 45 two companies were sent to the Eastern Front.
So yes, that scheme is wrong!
Cheers,
Linz
MLD
Vermont, United States
Joined: July 21, 2002
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2002 - 05:27 AM UTC
Early and late versions also differ in the number and arrangement of the drivers periscopes.. I'll check my references and get back w more info.
Mike
Mike
BlueBear
Idaho, United States
Joined: August 26, 2002
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Posted: Monday, September 09, 2002 - 05:59 AM UTC
Squadron/Signal "Panther in Action" states, "The standard production vehicles had a fairly small nearly flush mounted mantlet; late production examples had a larger bolted design." The Revell Germany 1/72 JagdPanther is a late model based upon an Ausf G chassis with the late mantlet, 2 part barrel, and late style engine deck. It has single l/r tail-pipes, but the styles were interchangeable. One thing irregular is that all 4 radiator vents have their grates on backwards from the standard shown on page 49 of the book