Probably a stupid question to ask. But I've been in this hobby for only 5-6 years on & off.
What makes a vignette and a diorama? I always thought it was the size but I've seen in some magazines a 15cm X 10cm based models of 3 or 4 figures and a somewhat complicated groundwork described as a vignette and at the same size or a bit smaller with a kubelwagen and 1 figure standing beside it with a simple groundwork a diorama.
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Vignette or diorama?
mondo
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 05:59 PM UTC
KFMagee
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 06:11 PM UTC
I don't think of it in terms of "size", but as I have mentioned before, I take a classic view....
A vignette is a single point of focus and a single thought... like a photo snapshot.... (and typically this would lend itself to smaller works, no doubt)
A diorama is comprised of more than one vignette that are related in some way.. let me give you an example...
Vignette:
A pair of figures, sitting on a fountain drinking coffee...
Dioroama
Might include the same pair drinking coffee, while another group of nearby figures might be refueling their halftrack, in front of a farm house where a small child is standing in the doorway in staring in awe at the size of the vehicle, and his mother is behind him fearful of the armed situation.
You see, the coffee drinkers is a quick glance that portrays a normal situation (taking a break) under extraorinary circumstances (war)
In the latter analogy, we have multiple points that are each worth a minor disussion... the child's innocent interest in impressive machinery... the mothers fear for her farm and family of what may happen with armed soldiers nearby... while the coffee drinkers are trying to ease their way...
Agree - disagree?
A vignette is a single point of focus and a single thought... like a photo snapshot.... (and typically this would lend itself to smaller works, no doubt)
A diorama is comprised of more than one vignette that are related in some way.. let me give you an example...
Vignette:
A pair of figures, sitting on a fountain drinking coffee...
Dioroama
Might include the same pair drinking coffee, while another group of nearby figures might be refueling their halftrack, in front of a farm house where a small child is standing in the doorway in staring in awe at the size of the vehicle, and his mother is behind him fearful of the armed situation.
You see, the coffee drinkers is a quick glance that portrays a normal situation (taking a break) under extraorinary circumstances (war)
In the latter analogy, we have multiple points that are each worth a minor disussion... the child's innocent interest in impressive machinery... the mothers fear for her farm and family of what may happen with armed soldiers nearby... while the coffee drinkers are trying to ease their way...
Agree - disagree?
Uruk-Hai
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Posted: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 11:47 PM UTC
Ive allways thought of a Vignette as an scenic display with surroundings. What makes it a Diorama to me is the story and/or idea.
In figureshows the difference is often dictated by the number of figures in the scene which to me seems odd.
In figureshows the difference is often dictated by the number of figures in the scene which to me seems odd.
Graywolf
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Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 12:09 AM UTC
hi mondo,
Besides I agree on Keith;i found some rules on IPMS Vancouver website.
b) A Vignette is a single subject displayed in a setting or scene where the subject is the predominant focus of the entry. The scene or setting is secondary and merely provides a contex for the subject. It is recognised that the model may not be viewable from all aspects as otherwise required for judging under paragraph B.1.a).
c) A Diorama comprises one or more models displayed in a setting or scene where that setting or scene forms a major component of the entry. All the components of the diorama intregrate to tell a story. Not only is the technical merit of the construction of all components judged but also the strength of the theme or story presented, so that if two dioramas were technically equal the one having the stronger theme or story would win.
please see the link for more rules
best regards
Besides I agree on Keith;i found some rules on IPMS Vancouver website.
b) A Vignette is a single subject displayed in a setting or scene where the subject is the predominant focus of the entry. The scene or setting is secondary and merely provides a contex for the subject. It is recognised that the model may not be viewable from all aspects as otherwise required for judging under paragraph B.1.a).
c) A Diorama comprises one or more models displayed in a setting or scene where that setting or scene forms a major component of the entry. All the components of the diorama intregrate to tell a story. Not only is the technical merit of the construction of all components judged but also the strength of the theme or story presented, so that if two dioramas were technically equal the one having the stronger theme or story would win.
please see the link for more rules
best regards
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 02:17 AM UTC
Typically, the single figure with a kubelk would not be dio unless there was significant action.
How we look at things, a general IPMS club with a lot of input from figure types. A vignette is up to 5 figures with no vehicles. A dio would have one or more vehicles with one or more figures telling a story.
In both cases, the presentation and story play into the judging.
Ultimately, there is no one, hard rule and each club may set up its own definition, including calling the display of more than one model on a base a dio. It's their house and we play by their rules.
How we look at things, a general IPMS club with a lot of input from figure types. A vignette is up to 5 figures with no vehicles. A dio would have one or more vehicles with one or more figures telling a story.
In both cases, the presentation and story play into the judging.
Ultimately, there is no one, hard rule and each club may set up its own definition, including calling the display of more than one model on a base a dio. It's their house and we play by their rules.
jasmils
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Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 02:17 AM UTC
G'day all,
A couple of years agao i entered this model in a large modelling show.
Now would you all class this a dio or Vignette?
I won a Bronze in Vignette's for it (much to my surprise and that of just about everybody else).Apparently it would not qualify for dio's because there was no "story". To me a tank in its "natural" suroundings or doing what a tank does, should be in dio's (well thats my opinion anyway).
Cheers Jason
A couple of years agao i entered this model in a large modelling show.
Now would you all class this a dio or Vignette?
I won a Bronze in Vignette's for it (much to my surprise and that of just about everybody else).Apparently it would not qualify for dio's because there was no "story". To me a tank in its "natural" suroundings or doing what a tank does, should be in dio's (well thats my opinion anyway).
Cheers Jason
bowjunkie35
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Posted: Thursday, January 27, 2005 - 02:42 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I don't think of it in terms of "size", but as I have mentioned before, I take a classic view....
A vignette is a single point of focus and a single thought... like a photo snapshot.... (and typically this would lend itself to smaller works, no doubt)
A diorama is comprised of more than one vignette that are related in some way.. let me give you an example...
Vignette:
A pair of figures, sitting on a fountain drinking coffee...
Dioroama
Might include the same pair drinking coffee, while another group of nearby figures might be refueling their halftrack, in front of a farm house where a small child is standing in the doorway in staring in awe at the size of the vehicle, and his mother is behind him fearful of the armed situation.
You see, the coffee drinkers is a quick glance that portrays a normal situation (taking a break) under extraorinary circumstances (war)
In the latter analogy, we have multiple points that are each worth a minor disussion... the child's innocent interest in impressive machinery... the mothers fear for her farm and family of what may happen with armed soldiers nearby... while the coffee drinkers are trying to ease their way...
Agree - disagree?
Great Explanation Keith! As good as any IMHO.
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