hi everyone i am currently working on a diorama of the invasion of poland but in need to know wut tanks besides the panzer 1 and the ft 17 the germans were using.

i would really appreciate it..

Both pz.kpfw. II, III and IV (only a few early ausf IIIs and very few early ausf IVs). My source is "Encyclopedia of German tanks of WW II".

regards,
Steen

thanx json i might put my panzer II then

not to mention they would have been using czech 35 and 38t tanks as well.

actually im usin the 7tp

PzIV in 1939? I doubt that very much. In the summer 'Blitzkrieg' of 1940, only a few PzIVs were (allegedly) present... I'd be VERY surprised (gobsmacked?) if there were any PzIVs in Poland...Jim

I'm not sure I understood you right Nerverk but you wrote that you use 7TP tank. It was Polish. Maybe some of them were captured by Germans, but I havn't heard that in September 39 they were in German service.
http://derela.republika.pl/7tp.htm

My guess was IIs and a few IIIs, but according to the book, a few IVs were used too (field test!?). I'll post the text for you.

But I agree, if I was building a diorama for the polish campaign, I wouldn't build it around a pz.kpfw. IV either!

regards,
Steen

Nervreck,

About 3800 Panzers invaded Poland, including Pz I (mostly in Pz- recon units), Pz II (Ausf. A-D) in greater numbers; about 200 Pz IV (A -C), less than 100 Pz III (A-E), about 700 Pz 38(t) and 35(t).
No StuG nor any SP-AT gun.

The Pz I was NEVER used as a batlle tank (training and recon only); the II also was introduced for recon and training duties, but when the war broke out, nothing else was available in sufficent numbers besides the Czech models 35 and 38. The French FT-17 was introduced into the Wehrmacht AFTER the French campaign in 1940 (and only for police duties), the 7TP and TK-3 were Polish versions of British designs and were used only AFTER that campaign.

You will have noticed that early-war markings differ a lot from late ones, i.e. the crosses in Poland were plain white, sometimes smeared over with ordinary mud or overpainted in yellow -ocre. Also the tank numbers (3-digit) were written on a small rhomboid plate placed on the side and back hull. But also the more prominent turret numbers became standard that time.

Panzer companies were mixed units consisting of 2-3 platoons of 5 Pz II or 38/35(t) each and one support platoon of 4 Pz IV. 4 companies formed a battalion (Abteilung), 2-3 battalions a Panzerregiment (PR), 1-2 Panzerregimenter plus mot. and mech. infantry units, engineers, mot. arty and AT a Panzerdivision (PD). The number of tanks per PD decreased while the numbers of PDs increased throughout the war.

Ciao

Frank

Also don't forget the befehlspanzer I, in my opinion an very very interesting little tank!



About the panzerkampfwagen 4, this comes from achtungpanzer.com




Reading this, I think the first Pzkfw IV models (Ausf A/B/C) were used in Poland in 1939.....not in big quantities, but they were there! Isn't the new tristar kit a Pzkfw ausf A ??



Martin

Tristar recently brought a Panzerkampfwagen I (early). Don't know 'bout a IV.

Cheers

No, the one they announced (and is due for release shortly) is the Ausf D, the same version as the old Tamiya kit.

Martinn (and others) thanks for that - up until now I had been convinced that they hadn't been in combat...Thanks, Jim

Don't foget the heavy use by the germans of 4, 6 and 8 Wheeled armored cars!

All German vechicles used in September 1939. http://www.1939.pl//u_de_zmot.htm

The only people with FT-17s in Poland in 1939 were the Poles. And I don't think the Polish ones saw action.

Sticky's comment about armoured cars is a very good point, since Tamiya have done a very nice 222 and 232 (8 wheel). Italeri are threatening a 6 wheeler for this year wihich should also be useful.

Avoid the Tamiya Panzer II as it's a later model, the Dragon (ex-Alan) one is the right period and the box-art is in fact taken from photos of the fighting in Poland.

Most Panzer IIIs are later models too, only the Dragon IIIE might be right (I think). Not sure about the IVD, but that was definitely in use in 1940 Jim, there are a couple in Blitzkrieg in the West: Then and Now which have come off second to French tanks .

thank you everyone for posting you guys have trully helped me out alot. First I have done research on the panzer I ausf. a, and apperently it was not in use for combat during WWII only for training, the spanish civil war , and the chinese war. Second the tanks that i will use will be the panzer 38, the panzer II, and maybe the ft-17. Third wut i was going to type was that i was going to have a 7tp but it came out misunderstood.

Thanks again to everyone who posted.

That's too bad....still I'm very interested in this new Panzerkampfwagen, as the Pzkfw I is a great kit!