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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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I need FAST help about King Tiger
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 10:39 PM UTC
Well, a friend of mine from work asked me to assemble this one for him



First of all i dont do braille scale too often so what i basicaly need is help with 2 things:

1. Wehicle "Anneliese" from 3./s.Pz.Abt. 503 (hull number 314) is the one i want to make. but, revell gave a paint scheme white with green/yellow spots?
I suppose white is actually a whitewash, whats supposed to be under it as a base colour? brown?

2. Would i be wrong if i do this one without zimmerit? i know it had zimmerit in 1945, but its one of the first 50 made KT's with porsche turret, so i wanna make it "fresh" out of factory (like 1943/44) so my guess is first Kt's didint have zimmerit in the begining?

pls help fast, in 4 hours im going home and dont have net, and im supposed to start this one today and finish it ASAP (dont ask why, i ove the guy a favour....)




Mirko
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:11 PM UTC
Hey Mirko ope this saves you in time the white scheme i think as depicted by the box art is meant to be a heavy coat of fresh whitewash so i 'd stick with that
undercolours are as normal dark yellow, green and brown . and as for zimmerit i think you could get awy with not using zimm on this mini beast not sure of hand if they (porsche kt's)all had it but would not detract from it enjoy the build and lets tkae a look before you give it back please ?!cheers K
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:20 PM UTC
Mirko,
Unfortunately, I beleive all the Porche KT's had zimmerite.

Jesse
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:27 PM UTC
Mirko I believe Jesse is absolutley correct though its upto you now if you want to take the plunge ?
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:35 PM UTC
Well, i never done any zimmerite so far, simply no adequate material to buy here in Serbia, and i guess 1/72 zimmerite is harder to make than 1/35?

any tehniques which are not too hard? i read somewhere about someone using acrylic paint without thinner to make it?
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Posted: Friday, February 25, 2005 - 11:39 PM UTC
that might work quite well mate ?
if you use thick acrylic paint and before it dries press in some horizontal lines with maybe a broken scalpel blade ? or even a fine screwdriver perhaps ?
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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 01:54 AM UTC
I tried once in 1/35 and it wasn't fun, I can't even imagine it in braile scale! I would try using thinned model putty. Thin it out a little, let it kind of "skin over" and then press in the pattern with a sharp blade. Hope this helps!

Jesse
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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 01:59 AM UTC
My first thought about zimm in 1/72 was to use the heat/melt method. Take a wood burning tool and melt in your zimm.
Remember in 1/72 you really only have to give the impression of zimm ridges. You're pure accuracy doesn't have to be as detailed in the smaller scale.


This is the tool I'm thinking of -

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/photos/41200-41299/41228.gif
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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 02:43 AM UTC

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Well, i never done any zimmerite so far, simply no adequate material to buy here in Serbia, and i guess 1/72 zimmerite is harder to make than 1/35?

Actually, there is a 1/72 scale zimmerit set for that kit. Atak Model does a set of resin zimmerit (ATK7202) for the Porsche turret and gives you a new upper turret as well as a rear hull piece. I just ordered one for $9 a week or so ago.
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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 04:50 AM UTC
I've built this model last year. Made zimmeritfrom Tamiya epoxy putty. Came out nice, but could be done better. Well, it was my first zimmerit.



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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 07:42 AM UTC
Thought you might like to see a picture of what you were building... If you want a little history about this tank ,it was part of the 503rd in France during the Normandy campaign but it broke down before being sent to the front along with another KT so these were the only two Porsche Kt to survive ..they were sent back to Germany and were re-issued back to the 503rd in Hungary.. I don,t know the numbers that this tank had in Normandy but I could look it up for you ..That way you could do it without the whitewash but the zimmerit is there to stay. Heres a picture ...



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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 08:43 AM UTC
I would go with the thinned down putty and letting it scum over a bit then using a tool to get your pattern. I've done this in 48th and 35th, never built a 72nd. Good luck
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Posted: Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 07:24 PM UTC
To do a Porsche KT, you pretty much have to thrown in the towel and zimm it.

But at 1/72nd scale, zimm should be barely detectable. Look at pics of Panther As for instance; most/all had zimm, but in many pics it is barely visible unless a closeup. And even closeup, you will notice that zimm was nowhere near as thick as often replicated.

Try several coats of Testors liquid cement to soften the plastic surface, then rake with a zimm tool of your choice. This is an easy to control method.

The "thick coat of paint and rake" method would create too soft a pattern, and subsequent paint would cover it.
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