Hi,
I have the Tamiya M3 Stuart kit and I figured out that it is not a great kit so I am going to use it as a paint practice kit, but .... in the event that it would look nice, I would place it in a little dio (practice, practice, ...).
I know that the M3 was used in Africa but what a bout Europe? Were these still in use (recon?) after D-Day in Europe? By which unit?
Tnx
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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:50 AM UTC
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The M3 pretty much ran its course in Europe with the Italian campaigns. By D-Day the M5A1 had replaced it as a scout/light tank. In the Pacific however, the Marines and US Army fought on with the M3 to nearly the end of the war. Check out the Signal M3 book lots of good pictures of M3's in action.
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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2002 - 04:01 AM UTC
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Hi,
I have the Tamiya M3 Stuart kit and I figured out that it is not a great kit so I am going to use it as a paint practice kit, but .... in the event that it would look nice, I would place it in a little dio (practice, practice, ...).
I know that the M3 was used in Africa but what a bout Europe? Were these still in use (recon?) after D-Day in Europe? By which unit?
Tnx
#:-)
Ronny--I'd have to look that one up. But, off the top of my head I'd say the M3s in Europe were few and far between. The 1st Armored in Italy certainly retained them until the end of the war. However, the cavalry and armored units were using the M-5 to be replaced by the M-24 at this stage of the game. In the Pacific, probably the Marines retained them. Once again, the Army pretty well confinded them to training units as the M-5s came down the line. One of the guys with reference books at hand will probably clarify my shotgun comments.
HTH
DJ
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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2002 - 11:03 AM UTC
The M3 Stuarts were used in nearly all theaters of operation.
Yes, they were used in the ETO through out the war. Although they were considered and or decleared obsolete in mid 1943. Most were as DJ said used as trainers, some were also used as reconnaissance, and escort. The French were equipped with them too, as far as what role I can not say for sure. The Russians used them too, though mostly as tows.
Yes, they were used in the ETO through out the war. Although they were considered and or decleared obsolete in mid 1943. Most were as DJ said used as trainers, some were also used as reconnaissance, and escort. The French were equipped with them too, as far as what role I can not say for sure. The Russians used them too, though mostly as tows.
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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2002 - 03:24 PM UTC
I'm not sure about the versions the Brits had, but I've seen pictures of Brit Stuarts in Normandy, and several of the vehicles Michael Wittman took out when he had his little romp through Villers Bocage were Stuarts 
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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2002 - 08:28 PM UTC
The only photo I found with the M3 is a mixture of 1st Armored Division vehicles in a courtyard in Verona, Italy. Once again, I assume that units in Europe had the same mixture of old and new equipment. If you can track down some photos from the 2nd Armored Division they probably have the mix. The 1st and 2nd were the originally deployed divisions whereas from the 3rd on they had the newer equipment prior to arriving in France.
DJ
DJ
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2002 - 12:04 PM UTC
I found a definite picture of the Stuart in use with the 4th Armor in and at the Battle of the Bulge. The picture clearly shows it being used an ambulance. There are three men on stretchers on the rear deck being brought back to a field hospital. I guess they're there to help keep em warm.
The picture is in the book "Battle of the Bulge" by Napier Crookenden.
The picture is in the book "Battle of the Bulge" by Napier Crookenden.
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2002 - 07:20 PM UTC
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I found a definite picture of the Stuart in use with the 4th Armor in and at the Battle of the Bulge. The picture clearly shows it being used an ambulance. There are three men on stretchers on the rear deck being brought back to a field hospital. I guess they're there to help keep em warm.
The picture is in the book "Battle of the Bulge" by Napier Crookenden.
Ken--can't disagree. The mix of equipment and variants must have been a maintenance nightmare. I'l bet there was a group told to turn in their M-3's in England who said "we'll keep this one and get the new ones too." Happens all the time.
DJ
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2002 - 07:27 PM UTC
Ken,
Is it possible to scan the picture for me? sounds like a nice dio idea :-)
Is it possible to scan the picture for me? sounds like a nice dio idea :-)
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2002 - 07:53 PM UTC
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Ken,
Is it possible to scan the picture for me? sounds like a nice dio idea
Ronny
Its funny you asked this Ronny. I had just saved Kenīs message to look further into that as a dio idea. Could you send me a copy of it as well, if its possible, please... pirty please?
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2002 - 10:30 PM UTC
I was first 
Just kidding
Just kidding
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Yes, I can, just give me a little bit here and I'll have it for you(s) 
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Hi Ronny - In 1944 Normandy, the British were still using a good number of the
M3's ( M3A1 & M3A3 ) ................unlike the U.S who had just about entirely used
the M5A1. Records show that there were over 1000 M5's in U.S. service in 1944 ETO.
The M5's along with the M8 armored car were generaly use in calvary recon unit's. The M24 Chaffee was to replace the M5's later on in the war in Europe, where some started being issued in the Fall 1944, but were more commonly seen during Winter/December of 1944.
......However American M3A1's were used more in the Pacific, where the M3's in action with U.S Marine's were just about all converted to Satan flame-thrower tanks by the time of Saipan 1944.
- ralph
M3's ( M3A1 & M3A3 ) ................unlike the U.S who had just about entirely used
the M5A1. Records show that there were over 1000 M5's in U.S. service in 1944 ETO.
The M5's along with the M8 armored car were generaly use in calvary recon unit's. The M24 Chaffee was to replace the M5's later on in the war in Europe, where some started being issued in the Fall 1944, but were more commonly seen during Winter/December of 1944.
......However American M3A1's were used more in the Pacific, where the M3's in action with U.S Marine's were just about all converted to Satan flame-thrower tanks by the time of Saipan 1944.
- ralph
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