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M32B2 info needed
DaveCox
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 06:26 AM UTC
Hi All. I've got the Italeri M32B1 on order, and will have a spare M4A2 large-hatch hull after my D-Day Canadian M4A2 is finished - the question is can the hull be used to make an M32B2 or were these all on small-hatch hulls? I can find pics of 'B1s but not of B2s!
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 07:00 AM UTC
It is my understanding that all of the M32s were done on small hatches during WW2.
DaveCox
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 07:16 AM UTC
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It is my understanding that all of the M32s were done on small hatches during WW2.
Damn, just wanted to make my M32 a bit different from all the others! Another OOB build then as I can't afford another convrsion hull! (and I don't need two sherman hulls in the spares box - darned box is bulging now!
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 07:24 AM UTC
A lot of people do the M32 on the M4A1 body and steal an upper from Dragons M4A1 small hatch. Maybe you could try putting the crane rig on the Tamiya M4?? How about an E8 suspension? Just brainstorming here. You mentioned the M4A2 upper. I'm not sure they had those but I'm away from my books right now.
DaveCox
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 10:13 AM UTC
If all WW2 M32s were on 'small hatch' hulls is the Italeri kit inaccurate or is it a post-war version? If it's post war then it's outside my chosen theme and I've either wasted my money or I have to buy another kit just for the hull. The Tamiya M4 early is £19 +postage here in the UK and the Dragon M4A1 early is as rare as rocking horse droppings so both are really out of the question at the moment LOL.
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 11:08 AM UTC
The Italeri kit is inaccurate. That combo never existed as a production model.
TankCarl
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 01:08 PM UTC
mmm,welded hull,BIG hatches.
Zod posted this a while back
P 292 of Fred Crismon's tracked vehicle book has a picture of an M-32B2.
26 only were built in 43-44
Sticky
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 01:15 PM UTC
Great pic, where was it taken?
MikeMummey
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 03:09 PM UTC
What is the name of Fred's Book?
ShermiesRule
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 03:15 PM UTC
OK I stand corrected. I doule checked my Hunnicutts and it was not specific about hatch sizes, just hulls
DaveCox
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 06:13 PM UTC
[quotemmm,welded hull,BIG hatches.
Zod posted this a while back
P 292 of Fred Crismon's tracked vehicle book has a picture of an M-32B2.
26 only were built in 43-44[/quote]
Thanks Carl. That pic settles it - I'm gonna go for a large hatch M32 on M4A2 hull unless I get definite proof that it didn't exist. Of course we don't know if that one in the pic is an A2 or A3 hull but if one existed then so may the other have done!
Zod posted this a while back
P 292 of Fred Crismon's tracked vehicle book has a picture of an M-32B2.
26 only were built in 43-44[/quote]
Thanks Carl. That pic settles it - I'm gonna go for a large hatch M32 on M4A2 hull unless I get definite proof that it didn't exist. Of course we don't know if that one in the pic is an A2 or A3 hull but if one existed then so may the other have done!
Martinnnn
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2005 - 06:43 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Textmmm,welded hull,BIG hatches.
Zod posted this a while back
P 292 of Fred Crismon's tracked vehicle book has a picture of an M-32B2.
26 only were built in 43-44
Thanks Carl. That pic settles it - I'm gonna go for a large hatch M32 on M4A2 hull unless I get definite proof that it didn't exist. Of course we don't know if that one in the pic is an A2 or A3 hull but if one existed then so may the other have done!
Yeah go for it mate, I'd build it with this info!
I hope to get my M4 hull this week for my own M32
MikeMummey
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 03:42 PM UTC
And the name of Fred's book is . . . . . . . . . . .
TankCarl
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 11:57 PM UTC
US Military tracked Vehicles? Its a green covered book(I've lost the dust cover.)
He also wrote one for wheeled vehicles.
Fred Crismon is the Author
He also wrote one for wheeled vehicles.
Fred Crismon is the Author
MikeMummey
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Posted: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 04:02 AM UTC
TANGO TankCarl.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 - 12:53 PM UTC
Quoted Text
That pic settles it - I'm gonna go for a large hatch M32 on M4A2 hull unless I get definite proof that it didn't exist. Of course we don't know if that one in the pic is an A2 or A3 hull but if one existed then so may the other have done!
There were 14 M32B2s converted in 1943 and 12 in 1944, with a three month gap between. Welded large hatch hulls didn't appear until 1944, so only the last 12 were large hatch.
HTH,
KL
Savage
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 01:14 AM UTC
Dave, if you need info, I have pics of scale and actual M32s which include the interior, exterior and corrections / detailing of the Italeri kit! About 8Mb worth, articles plus 50 odd pics.
One thing is almost certain, for the 12 odd M32B2 based on the M4A2 (Late) a few would have been in USMC usage, as the USMC loved the Diesel engines.
Also IIRC the M4A2(Early) was the first hull converted to M32 and had angled ‘turrets’ (see pic below) as opposed the later rounded ‘turreted’ M32s. So you can use most of the Italeri kit.
One thing is almost certain, for the 12 odd M32B2 based on the M4A2 (Late) a few would have been in USMC usage, as the USMC loved the Diesel engines.
Also IIRC the M4A2(Early) was the first hull converted to M32 and had angled ‘turrets’ (see pic below) as opposed the later rounded ‘turreted’ M32s. So you can use most of the Italeri kit.
DaveCox
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 01:42 AM UTC
Thanks for all the help and offers of pics etc. I reckon I've got enough to go on with now!
armormike
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Posted: Thursday, March 24, 2005 - 03:57 AM UTC
An Excellent reference source is the Ampersand Publishing book on Recovery vehicles. It has an article specifically on the B2 version
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