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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 11:25 AM UTC
would a panzer 4 have zimmermitte on it?
thanks
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 05:26 PM UTC
Depends on which model. A late version, such as an Ausf H or J, certainly would. It may also have been used on late model Ausf G's

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Setubal, Portugal
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 06:42 PM UTC
HI,
Here
Panzer IV (rippled pattern) at
PanzerDiesel you have photos of Pz IV with zimmerit.
Here at ArmoramA
Zimmerit: History and How-to you have an article by Paul Owen about zimmerit, where he mentioned the Pz IV - mid and later H and early J.
HTH
Idaho, United States
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Posted: Saturday, September 28, 2002 - 07:44 PM UTC
Now that just throws a monkey wrench into the pot! Zimmerit on 2 different tanks raked in both horizontal and vertical fashion in actual pictures! I think that I'm going to need a bromo-seltzer.
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 01:23 AM UTC
Hi Guys,
Nope, that isn't unexpexted at all. Remember, Pz 4's were built in 3 or 4 different factories, so differences would and (obviously) did exsist.
Regards,
Georg
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 02:54 AM UTC
thanks, i just got the tamiya panzer 4 ausf. D, so it would have the horizontil ridged zimmermitte on it?
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 03:47 AM UTC
The Ausf D would NOT have had Zimmerit applied. Its use only began in 1943 and an early model like the Ausf D would have been withdrawn from front-line service by then.
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 05:05 AM UTC
ok, just wondering.
thanks again
:-)
Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 05:40 AM UTC
all zummerit usage was discontinued after November of '44. It could have been used on a D if the D was around in '44. Many were rebuilt using the L/48 main gun and some had zummerit.
Chris

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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 10:58 AM UTC
I agree with Chris. My understanding is Zimmerit is not as much as a limit to a certain type of vehilce but more as a time period thing, besides you need to remember that some Zimmerit is not applied in the factroy and is field applied, so in this case. I think it might be possible that a D could also fashion zimmerit.
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2002 - 07:43 PM UTC
WAR-MACHINE,
If you are building the Ausf. D as it is suppossed to be out of the box (i.e. as a D or E), DO NOT apply zimmerit. D's and E's were withdrawn from frontline service well before zimmerit came into use. If you are planning on building it as a rebuilt D mounting L/48 as Chris mentioned you might want to think about applying zimmerit.