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Ambulance Jeep (Italeri)
liberator
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Luzon, Philippines
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 09:46 PM UTC
i'am having second thoughts on showing this..kinda dull if its clean and neat. with some details and weathering..it adds story to a simple subject. comments and suggestions are open..hope you like it guys and girls.




















MrRoo
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Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:08 PM UTC
very nice Liberator. Only I feel there are two things wrong with it.

One is the wheels really do need more dust on them. Not much but more would look more authentis.

Two is the weapons (Rifles) they should not be there at all. The Browning would have been left with his mates for etc firepower and in a lot of cases the wounded were bought back without their weapons, especially long arms due to lack of room and weight.

Other then that an excellent job.
straightedge
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Ohio, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:47 PM UTC
I say you done a real good job Liberator, I was supposed to get this model, but the guy messed up and sold it out from under me, but I know all the other Italeri models, and they take some work to make them look this good. Keep up the good work

Kerry
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Joined: September 18, 2003
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:14 PM UTC
Looking back through your other builds, it's clear to see, you definately have a style of your own. The soaked-in blood effect is really nice. I would think the medics helmet would be alittle stained where his hands take it off and on. Medics would have to do this when using a stethascope. I have to agree with Cliff about the wheels, and while yer at it dirtyup the floorboard abit more. Perhaps even some bandages that were used and removed...

It's great seeing a kit finished out by one who has an eye and a style. Its a very moving presentation. You should be proud of yourself with this one.

Could you show some pics during the build? I would love to see this before the paint job.
jimbrae
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Provincia de Lugo, Spain / Espaņa
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Posted: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:19 PM UTC
Ciff is correct about the weapons. Apart from that, it's a nice build, nicely cluttered which covers the shortcomings of Italeri's Jeep very nicely .. On the debit side, the bloodstains on the stretchers are a touch overdone for my taste....Jim
Martinnnn
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 12:00 AM UTC
Nice jeep mate! I like the blood on the stretchers and the jeep itself, makes it look much more realistic than the clean ambulance jeeps you often see (for those who have a clean jeep: they can be beautifull too but I like realism :-))

Good work!
Martin
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 02:25 AM UTC

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Another aspect, is that any vehicle marked as an ambulance vehicle, under no circumstances, is permitted to have any kind of weapon at all. It is covered by several clauses of the Geneva Convention.

That is incorrect. Medical personnel are allowed to carry weapons for personal protection as well as defense of their patients. A medic's weapon could be a rifle, carbine (modern US medics carry the M-4) or a pistol. The dedicated ambulance vehicle like this Jeep cannot have a weapons system (crew served machine gun) attached to it, but the medic can have his sidearm or rifle with him. Even the presence of the wounded soldiers' weapons are permitted (see paragraph c).

The only members of the military who are not allowed to carry weapons are the clergy (chaplains). US chaplains have an enlisted chaplain's assistant assigned to provide defense. Even doctors are expected to carry weapons for self-defense.

Here is an excerpt from the field manual, The Law of Land Warfare:

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223. Conditions Not Depriving Medical Units and Establishments of
Protection
a. Treaty Provision.
The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19:
(1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defense, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.
(2) That in the absence of armed orderlies, the unit or establishment is protected by a picket or by sentries or by an escort.
(3) That small arms and ammunition taken from the wounded and sick and not yet handed to the proper service, are found in the unit or establishment.
(4) That personnel and material of the veterinary service are found in the unit or establishment, without forming an integral part thereof.
(5) That the humanitarian activities of medical units and establishments or of their personnel extend to the care of civilian wounded or sick. (GWS, art. 22.)
b. Self-Defense Defined. Although medical personnel may carry arms for self-defense, they may not employ such arms against enemy forces acting in conformity with the law of war. These arms are for their personal defense and for the protection of the wounded and sick under their charge against marauders and other persons violating the law of war. Medical personnel who use their arms in circumstances not justified by the law of war expose themselves to penalties for violation of the law of war and, provided they have been given due warning to cease such acts, may also forfeit the protection of the medical unit or establishment of which they form part or which they are protecting.
c. Arms and Ammunition Taken From the Wounded and Sick.
As provided in substance by the foregoing article, the presence of such arms and ammunition in a medical unit or establishment is not of itself cause for denying the protection to be accorded such organizations under GWS. However, such arms and ammunition should be turned in as soon as practicable and, in any event, are subject to confiscation.



I've been in the military for over twenty years and know a little about the Law of Land Warfare.
jimbrae
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Provincia de Lugo, Spain / Espaņa
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 02:39 AM UTC
Thanks Rob, useful thing to know, perhaps I was confused by the 'exclusion' zone which operates outside field Hospitals. Although never having served in a medical unit, I do remember seeing medical personnel receiving weapons training though.... perhaps I was confused with 'crew-served' weapons which as you pointed out, are prohibited... Thanks anyway....Jim
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Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 03:07 AM UTC
G'day Liberator
Excellent job mate
Blood stains are extremely well done.
Cheers
DaveCox
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England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 04:56 AM UTC
Really nice job, although I agree with the comments on the tyres. The blood is a little OTT for my taste, but that's a personal opinion and not really a criticism of your build.
animal
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 07:58 AM UTC
This makes number two for two very nice examples of the old work horse Jeep. The painting is nicely done. As far as the weapons go, the builder has poetic license as far as I am concern. Bravo.
Major_Goose
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Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 07:40 PM UTC
Beautiful work . just that i see the overall pic since all technicalities are alrewady said
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