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Euro_Pro_USA
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Posted: Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 03:38 PM UTC
Found on the internet and would like to share with you
TsunamiBomb
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Posted: Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 03:59 PM UTC
I know your new to the site and all. But youve now got some major copyright issues on your hands. I dont see one name listed for the maker of these dioramas.
HeavyArty
Joined: May 16, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 04:27 PM UTC
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I know your new to the site and all. But youve now got some major copyright issues on your hands. I dont see one name listed for the maker of these dioramas.
Harrison,
For one, he is not new to the site, he's been here a long time. Secondly, where is the copyright issue? He is not claiming they are his photos, he stated they were taken off the web. He is not selling anything or advertising anythimg with them. Simply displaying some great model photos. He probably doesn't know who made them either. No copyright issue at all. Just because someone else took a photo, doesn't mean you can't display it for the purpose of someone looking at it. This is especially true if it is on the web, where it can be lifted or copied by anyone. If people don't want their pics copied off the web, they can lock them so they can not be copied. As long as you are not useing it for profit, no issue.
As to the models. They are great. I have seen all of them before. The M2A2 ODS is very good overall, but has some problems. None of the vision blocks are painted, they are all left sand. Same is true for the Co-axial mg on the turret, it was also left sand. Why is the tow cable floating off the front of the vehicle?? M60 MG on top is an M60E3, only used by USMC, US Army never used it. On the interior righg wall, there is a triangular box with a spigot that holds water, it was removed in the early 1990s when we went from the M2 to the M2A2, it was too hard to clean and remove to refill. Many of the little loops and lift rings he put all over the hull are fictitious as well. A good effort, just not truely correct. Still looks good and he did a great job on the interior.
Euro_Pro_USA
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Posted: Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 05:47 PM UTC
the pictures are not mine nor are the models, I just wanted to show them you . I hope I won t go to jail for that 
blaster76
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Posted: Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 08:30 PM UTC
I certainly enjoyed the posts. Felt that they may have been accessorized a bit much, especially the Bradley. We crammed all our junk into a dufflebag. Those guys would have had to carry all that gear out to the track, and a lot of it like raingear etc wouldn't have been something they would have felt neccessary.
Epi
Joined: December 22, 2001
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 12:47 AM UTC
Great models, but I want to add to Gino's observations on the Bradley.
If you carefully inside the interior, you see a screen on the right hand side above the bench and right hand side inside the turret. Well, those screens are only in A3 version. In other words, its an A3 interior with an A2 exterior. Plus, he left alll the swim barrier poles on . Its a shame of some of the small inaccuricies for such a nice model.
DAMN, was I just "Rivet Counting!"
If you carefully inside the interior, you see a screen on the right hand side above the bench and right hand side inside the turret. Well, those screens are only in A3 version. In other words, its an A3 interior with an A2 exterior. Plus, he left alll the swim barrier poles on . Its a shame of some of the small inaccuricies for such a nice model.
DAMN, was I just "Rivet Counting!"
TsunamiBomb
Joined: September 21, 2004
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 02:21 AM UTC
Hmm, Because I did this same thing and I had people on my back for copyright issues. Its my sincere oppologies, i didnt mean to be rude. BTW, some of these models are extremely well done. Thanks for the post.
Red4
Joined: April 01, 2002
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 03:25 AM UTC
Gino and Pete already hit the big stuff. something else I noticed, or didn't notice actually, but the shell ejection port on the 25mm is missing. Might be from the angle of the pics, but I can't see it. Anybody else?
As for the rest of it....awesome execution of the interior. A nice blend of old and new Bradleys even it it isn't 100% accurate. Thanks for sharing the pics. "Q"
As for the rest of it....awesome execution of the interior. A nice blend of old and new Bradleys even it it isn't 100% accurate. Thanks for sharing the pics. "Q"
Epi
Joined: December 22, 2001
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 03:54 AM UTC
Yes Matthew, it is missing, but then again, about 80% of the Bradley models I've seen are missing it too. Depending on how i feel, I will add it or not on my kits.
MikeMummey
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 04:09 AM UTC
Howdy Oliver. What site did you go to to get those photos? Dont worry, I am not the Cyber Poliezi. I do not think that the models are built by the same person. The Hummer with 1/5/H&S is built by a guy named Don Franklin. He is a retired USMC Gunny and the vehicle is his son's from OIF 1. Don was a tanker early in his career who went on to become a Radar Repairman. I lost contact with him in 2003. He would most likely be pleased to know that his work was being shown on this site. In fact he would be a great participant if he knew about this forum. Thanks for sharing the pics. Out hrere. 
staff_Jim
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 04:32 AM UTC
Gino is correct of course. I would just like to add that if you find images like this and want to display them you should consider saving and posting the URL where you found them, as well as considering the benefit of just displaying an example picture with a link to the site where more images can be found. I am sure (as a webmaster) this is what most fellow webmasters would prefer. What most people don't understand is the incredible amount of bandwidth it takes to load a succession of images like this from the remote server. They net result is that this person may eventually stop offsite image requests from his server or hosting account. It's something I am considering doing for Armorama right now.
Cheers,
Jim
Cheers,
Jim
keenan
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 04:45 AM UTC
The base for the Bradley probably cost more than the last four kits I built. It is pretty sweet though.
Someone tell me where the swim barrier poles are so I can leave them off of mine.
Thanks in advance,
Shaun
Someone tell me where the swim barrier poles are so I can leave them off of mine.
Thanks in advance,
Shaun
Euro_Pro_USA
Joined: July 09, 2003
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 05:14 AM UTC
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Howdy Oliver. What site did you go to to get those photos? Dont worry, I am not the Cyber Poliezi. I do not think that the models are built by the same person. The Hummer with 1/5/H&S is built by a guy named Don Franklin. He is a retired USMC Gunny and the vehicle is his son's from OIF 1. Don was a tanker early in his career who went on to become a Radar Repairman. I lost contact with him in 2003. He would most likely be pleased to know that his work was being shown on this site. In fact he would be a great participant if he knew about this forum. Thanks for sharing the pics. Out hrere
YEs the marine corps Hummer are from Don Franklin, here is his site http://hsfeatures.com/m1025df_1.htm
I emailed him a year ago when I first visited his great pcitures and aksed him about the colors he used and he was very helpful
I pm you his email.
The bradley , the m113 and the uparmored Humvee are from japanese modeleres, but I could not identify the name since I couldn t read anything
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MikeMummey
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 05:23 AM UTC
TANGO for the link and I will be looking for the mail. Out here.
Epi
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Posted: Friday, April 29, 2005 - 05:23 AM UTC
Shaun,
They are in three different places. The first set is located under the maintenance platform under the TOW launcher. The second and third set is on the left and right rear. One is direcectly under the ammo cans and the other is under the periscopes.
They are in three different places. The first set is located under the maintenance platform under the TOW launcher. The second and third set is on the left and right rear. One is direcectly under the ammo cans and the other is under the periscopes.
Urutu
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 11:39 AM UTC
Hello guys!
By the way, looking at these great Bradley pictures, I'd like to ask you a doubt that apeared to me: What is the black folded thing on the side of the Bradley? I have seen these round plates in various OIF M2A2 pictures and I wondered it's some kind of gear container... I'm I right?
And if so, with what material is it made?
Bye and thanks in advance,
Marcelo
By the way, looking at these great Bradley pictures, I'd like to ask you a doubt that apeared to me: What is the black folded thing on the side of the Bradley? I have seen these round plates in various OIF M2A2 pictures and I wondered it's some kind of gear container... I'm I right?
And if so, with what material is it made?
Bye and thanks in advance,
Marcelo
USArmy2534
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 04:36 PM UTC
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What is the black folded thing on the side of the Bradley? I have seen these round plates in various OIF M2A2 pictures and I wondered it's some kind of gear container... I'm I right?
And if so, with what material is it made?
I have no direct knowledge (I can almost guarantee Epi would), but I believe that they are field made and given that each contains gear and supplies, I would definitely say you are correct that they are for holding said gear and supplies, much in the same way as the side bustle racks are used. If I am correct that they are field modifications, then they would be made out of regular scrap metal from a local junkyard and a good ol' motor pool blowtorch.
Jeff
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 06:12 PM UTC
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I have no direct knowledge (I can almost guarantee Epi would), but I believe that they are field made and given that each contains gear and supplies, I would definitely say you are correct that they are for holding said gear and supplies, much in the same way as the side bustle racks are used. If I am correct that they are field modifications, then they would be made out of regular scrap metal from a local junkyard and a good ol' motor pool blowtorch.
I'm no expert, but if IIRC, they are kind of black rubber flaps which are parts of the ODS modifications list. They are designed to keep the stored gear ( water cans...) from being damaged when the vehicle is moving. They are bolted on the front and have 2 tie-downs on the rear to be strapped along the vehicle's side.
But a picture is worth a thousand words (especially when English is not your native langage ...)
HTH
Frenchy
junglejim
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Posted: Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 06:27 PM UTC
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I would just like to add that if you find images like this and want to display them you should consider saving and posting the URL where you found them, as well as considering the benefit of just displaying an example picture with a link to the site where more images can be found. I am sure (as a webmaster) this is what most fellow webmasters would prefer. What most people don't understand is the incredible amount of bandwidth it takes to load a succession of images like this from the remote server. They net result is that this person may eventually stop offsite image requests from his server or hosting account. It's something I am considering doing for Armorama right now.
Cheers,
Jim
Not to mention it's a real pain for those of us on dial-up (yes, we still exist!)
And personally, I would be peeved if a photo of one of my models appeared there and I wasn't at least contacted for permission, or it stated where it was taken from (site). Just plain 'netiquette'.
Cheers,
Jim C
Red4
Joined: April 01, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 02:02 AM UTC
Quoted Text
By the way, looking at these great Bradley pictures, I'd like to ask you a doubt that apeared to me: What is the black folded thing on the side of the Bradley? I have seen these round plates in various OIF M2A2 pictures and I wondered it's some kind of gear container... I'm I right?
And if so, with what material is it made?
Bye and thanks in advance,
Marcelo
USNavy and Frenchy are correct. Its made of rubber and is used for keeping gear stowed and protecting it somewhat. I have a couple of motor pools here that are full of Brads with these on them. I was curious and had to see for myself. Hope this helps you. "Q"
Urutu
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2005 - 05:30 AM UTC
Thanks guys!
It's what I suposed it was
Realy thanks!
Matthew,
I'll go to check your motor pool!
Bye,
Marcelo
It's what I suposed it was
Realy thanks!Matthew,
I'll go to check your motor pool!
Bye,
Marcelo
043
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2005 - 02:03 AM UTC
Not my style but good results
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