What I'd really like to know is do you think it could take one of the super tanks like a maus?
Any input (even educated guess's ) would be helpful.
Cheers
Robbo
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REMEARMR
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2002 - 07:41 AM UTC
Does anyone know the weight limit of the load for the trailer in the 18t Famo + Trailer combination. Was it capable of taking all production vehicles used by the germans?
What I'd really like to know is do you think it could take one of the super tanks like a maus?
Any input (even educated guess's ) would be helpful.
Cheers
Robbo
What I'd really like to know is do you think it could take one of the super tanks like a maus?
Any input (even educated guess's ) would be helpful.
Cheers
Robbo
Folgore
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2002 - 08:09 AM UTC
I definitely do not think a FAMO could tow a Maus around. I was watching a show that said it took three FAMOs just to move a broke down Tiger I. Sorry, I can't help you with specific limit loads.
Nic
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tankshack
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2002 - 10:26 AM UTC
The the early models of the Sd Anh. 116 was rated for 22 tons while later models were rated for up to 23 tons.
This would definitely not support the massive Maus or any of the other super tanks,
The trailer was intended to support medium tanks and assault guns based on the Pz III and Pz IV chassis.
Hope this helps.
Tim
This would definitely not support the massive Maus or any of the other super tanks,
The trailer was intended to support medium tanks and assault guns based on the Pz III and Pz IV chassis.
Hope this helps.
Tim
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2002 - 06:29 PM UTC
I guessed the Maus would be too heavy, but I just wanted to check.
I'm sure this would have been a straight recovery without the trailer. I've seen a couple of dio's showing tanks being recovered by a couple of Famo's.
Does anyone have any idea's how the Maus would have been transported? I imagine top speed and mileage was pretty poor. Where they also too heavy to be moved by train?
Cheers
Robbo
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3 Famos to move a Tiger.
I'm sure this would have been a straight recovery without the trailer. I've seen a couple of dio's showing tanks being recovered by a couple of Famo's.
Does anyone have any idea's how the Maus would have been transported? I imagine top speed and mileage was pretty poor. Where they also too heavy to be moved by train?
Cheers
Robbo
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2002 - 10:45 PM UTC
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Does anyone have any idea's how the Maus would have been transported? I imagine top speed and mileage was pretty poor. Where they also too heavy to be moved by train?
Cheers
Robbo
i don't even think the Germans had a answer to this question, the whole maus and e-100 tanks were ridiculous designs
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2002 - 11:58 PM UTC
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i don't even think the Germans had a answer to this question, the whole maus and e-100 tanks were ridiculous designs
Agree Over how many tons? 80 or 90 Wonder how the engine must of strained to pull this thing around.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 09:43 AM UTC
Tanks46 here. From Famo 18tby S. Konig weight fully equipped:13,800kg max. weight with load: 35, 400kg or as someone mentioned 22 metric tons. This is an excellent reference work with many pictures both of the Famo and the trailer. As well as detail shots of both. I am currently building a Military depot Famo 18t with the Sd.Anh. 116 trailer in resin from Military Depot. A nice kit. Good luck!
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Tanks46
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 09:44 AM UTC
Tanks46 here. From Famo 18tby S. Konig weight fully equipped:13,800kg max. weight with load: 35, 400kg or as someone mentioned 22 metric tons. This is an excellent reference work with many pictures both of the Famo and the trailer. As well as detail shots of both. I am currently building a Military depot Famo 18t with the Sd.Anh. 116 trailer in resin from Military Depot. A nice kit. Good luck!
Der Sonntag Bund
Tanks46
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Folgore
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 10:12 AM UTC
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3 Famos to move a Tiger.
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I'm sure this would have been a straight recovery without the trailer. I've seen a couple of dio's showing tanks being recovered by a couple of Famo's.
Yes, that is correct. I just thought I'd mention it though. Those dios would be very expensive...... I want to build one
Nic
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 11:11 AM UTC
According to The Encyclopedia Of German Tanks Of World War II
Pz Kfw IV H 25 tons
Tiger I 57 tons
Tiger II 68 tons
Panther G 45.5 tons
Maus 188 tons
E-100 140 tons PROJECTED
anh 116 Load capacity 44,090 Lbs approx.
No Trailer or train in the German inventory could transport the Maus or E-100. A minor design flaw LOL
Pz Kfw IV H 25 tons
Tiger I 57 tons
Tiger II 68 tons
Panther G 45.5 tons
Maus 188 tons
E-100 140 tons PROJECTED
anh 116 Load capacity 44,090 Lbs approx.
No Trailer or train in the German inventory could transport the Maus or E-100. A minor design flaw LOL
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 - 03:52 PM UTC
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i don't even think the Germans had a answer to this question, the whole maus and e-100 tanks were ridiculous designs
Agree Over how many tons? 80 or 90 Wonder how the engine must of strained to pull this thing around.
Yep, it seems that in old time people are really facinated with big tank ideas, correct me if I am wrong, they are using the same Maybach 230 engine right?
Tiger101
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 08:41 AM UTC
Yep, it seems that in old time people are really facinated with big tank ideas, correct me if I am wrong, they are using the same Maybach 230 engine right?
I thought that also but the book states:
E-100 was to have the Maybach HL234 engine ( an improvement I guess)
The Maus V1 was equipped with MB509 Diesel. This was a modifed aircraft engine.
The Maus V2 was equipped with MB 517 Diesel.
I thought that also but the book states:
E-100 was to have the Maybach HL234 engine ( an improvement I guess)
The Maus V1 was equipped with MB509 Diesel. This was a modifed aircraft engine.
The Maus V2 was equipped with MB 517 Diesel.
eMan
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 09:19 PM UTC
take a look at [ http://www.wwiitech.net/main/germany/vehicles/eseries/index.html#E-100 ]
E-100 hull sitting on a trailer for kingtiger, but which type of tractor can use?
Tiger101
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:34 PM UTC
That picture has been around for a long time. The allies had overrun the Henschel factory in Paderborn and found the partial E-100. That trailer couldn't have been a road trailer, the wheels aren't large enough for road travel. It might have been used to move it around the factory yard. No single tractor could pull 140 tons around for very long distances anyway.
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 02:51 PM UTC
hell, even the american m-88 herc would need help on a konigs tiger and 2 or three for a e-100 or maus they are designed to tow a 65 ton vehicle #:-)
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Posted: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 08:39 PM UTC
The Maus was in fact fitted wth a HL230 P30 engine equivalent to that fitted in the late tiger1, mad really if you think about it.
The Sd.Anh.116 trailer was designed to carry heavy equipment of all type, it was employed by even the luftwaffe as a fuel prime mover. The primary function was to recover panzerIII and panzerIV variants from the battle field.
StuG brigade 237 in Russia employed the trailer to transport the StuG III ausfG variant mainly. s.Pz.Abteilung.501 in Tunisia 1943 carried the PanzerIII.
When the trailer is not used, the Famo could pullanything up-to a Panzer IV. Anything else would require two or more in series.
Any more info about units and markings required?
The Sd.Anh.116 trailer was designed to carry heavy equipment of all type, it was employed by even the luftwaffe as a fuel prime mover. The primary function was to recover panzerIII and panzerIV variants from the battle field.
StuG brigade 237 in Russia employed the trailer to transport the StuG III ausfG variant mainly. s.Pz.Abteilung.501 in Tunisia 1943 carried the PanzerIII.
When the trailer is not used, the Famo could pullanything up-to a Panzer IV. Anything else would require two or more in series.
Any more info about units and markings required?
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