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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Tigers and Jabos
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 02:31 PM UTC
I've read about the Jugs and the Typhoons that totally devastated the Tigers at Fallaise after D-Day. Air power finally tamed the indestructible Tiger. Is anyone aware of any other encounter between Jabos and Tigers? How about at the Kursk offensive? Or in Africa? Italy perhaps?

Thanks guys and gals!
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 02:44 PM UTC
IIRC, the Soviet Union's IL-2 Stormovik did quite a number on German tanks.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 03:38 PM UTC
Everywhere the Allies had air superiority, their "Jabos" would be killing tanks. During the Normandy campiagn, Allied air power was so strong, the Germans couldn't move armour in any scale during the day, for they would immediately be spotted and pounced upon by fighter-bombers.

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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 04:13 PM UTC
American A-36's, early Mustangs and P-40's did a lot of harassment in Italy. Air superiority was on and off in '43-'44, so it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility to have a Bf-109G pouncing on a Warhawk pouncing a German column.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 09:23 PM UTC
What are Jabos????

I wonder how the german anti-air craft teams (wirbelwind, mobelwagon etc.......) coped????

I know what the typhoon was................a brilliant tiger and panther killer. Looks good in invasion stripes as well.

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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 09:32 PM UTC
Jabo is the German abbreviation of "Jagdbomber" or fighter-bomber
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 09:34 PM UTC

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What are Jabos????

I wonder how the german anti-air craft teams (wirbelwind, mobelwagon etc.......) coped????

I know what the typhoon was................a brilliant tiger and panther killer. Looks good in invasion stripes as well.

Cromwell



Jabo---Jagdbomber---Fighter-bomber
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 - 09:43 PM UTC
Jabo - dreaded planes of the panzerwaffe.... a horrible winged thing #:-)
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 07:40 AM UTC
A Jabo pilot often had a short operational life... even in 45. German flak was extremely efficient.
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Posted: Friday, August 02, 2013 - 10:08 AM UTC
The JABO'S usually meant the British HAWKER TYPHOON. The Typhoon characterized by the huge under engine air scoop for it's radiator/superchargers.What made it a JABO and feared by all ground vehicles and if I am correct the virtual destruction of the Panzer Lehr Div in Normandy was the large rockets it carried. It carried a lot and they tended to open tigers like a tin can when they hit the upper decks and turret.
The Typhoon was a failed successor to the Spitfire.But like the P-51 it found a niche and was successful
Hawker Typhoon (Tiffy in RAF slang), was a British single-seat fighter-bomber, produced by Hawker Aircraft. It was designed to be a medium-high altitude interceptor, as a direct replacement for the Hawker Hurricane, but several design problems were encountered, and it never completely satisfied this requirement.[3]

Its service introduction in mid-1941 was plagued with problems, and for several months the aircraft faced a doubtful future.[3] However, when the Luftwaffe brought the formidable Focke-Wulf Fw 190 into service in 1941 the Typhoon was the only RAF fighter capable of catching it at low altitudes; as a result it secured a new role as a low-altitude interceptor.[4]

Through the support of pilots such as Roland Beamont it also established itself in roles such as night-time intruder[5] and a long-range fighter.

From late 1942 the Typhoon was equipped with bombs, and from late 1943 RP-3 ground attack rockets were added to its armoury. Using these two weapons, the Typhoon became one of the Second World War's most successful ground-attack aircraft.
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Posted: Saturday, August 03, 2013 - 02:06 AM UTC
According to US assessment teams after Falaise, damage to panzers from rocket attack wasn't nearly as devastating as is thought. Rockets were generally inaccurate and didn't always penetrate when they hit. They did however destroy softskins and block roads. Panzer crews also tended to panic and bail out, abandoning their tanks, which further blocked the roads. The psychological effect was greater than the actual weapon.
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Posted: Saturday, August 03, 2013 - 06:34 AM UTC

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According to US assessment teams after Falaise, damage to panzers from rocket attack wasn't nearly as devastating as is thought. Rockets were generally inaccurate and didn't always penetrate when they hit. They did however destroy softskins and block roads. Panzer crews also tended to panic and bail out, abandoning their tanks, which further blocked the roads. The psychological effect was greater than the actual weapon.


You beat me to the punch buddy! In actual numbers,air power made very little effect as far as tank kills went. We mostly fall victim to the hugely over inflated kill reports of the pilots as far as ground and air victories go. This was encouraged by the brass during the war because it was good for home moral. If taken seriously,the entire German airforce and tank corp was "killed" about 3 or 4 times through this overclaiming.
This does not take away from the overall effectiveness of the Jabos against soft targets and harrassment,etc as you pointed out and also the bravery of the pilots who did indeed face an enemy that was shooting back!
Actually the big majority of Tigers lost in Normandy were from being abandoned by their crews because of damage,maint breakdown or running out of fuel and then being over run by the allies before they could be recovered.
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