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AFV Painting & Weathering
Answers to questions about the right paint scheme or tips for the right effect.
Red oxide paint as the only color.
sgirty
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 02:10 AM UTC
Hi, I was wondering if anybody has ever built a very, very late war panzer and just used the red primer color as the only color, no camo effects of other colors of any kind.

Am thinking about this for Dragon's late war Tiger II kit and was trying to consider just how it would come out in advance, and what kind of weathering effects would be needed to tone down this sort of over-powering color when when it's used, just on it's own.

Just curious if anybody ever tried this sort of thing before and how it came out for them.

Thanks and take care, Sgirty
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 06:45 AM UTC
Were they primered?????
Henk
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 - 12:59 PM UTC
In one way, no..
primer was only used as a base, not as a final coat before a tank was send out. The only option would be to use primer as a base coat, and use olive green and/or olive green as camo colors.
The Germans were very well organised, and factories were turning out tanks according to the regulations,not as they felt like...
This was the rule right untill the last day of production..
the notion that German camo was done haphazard is just that, a myth..
Oxide red, with Olive green stripes, yes..
Primer on its own....no.

jimbrae
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 12:10 AM UTC
It's an interesting idea although historically speaking it is unlikely. Even the E-100 & Maus, were painted although they never saw action.

The only possiblity would be a Soviet vehicle in Stalingrad....

The German Primer and paint was of a supeb standard, therefore paint 'chipping' would be less common than on other country's vehicles...Jim
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2005 - 01:19 AM UTC
Long before I slung my hook and took it over to the allied side I had a real affinity to late war German Panzers so I know a bit about this very subject. The Germans did in fact use the Primer as a Camouflage colour. You can see many examples of Late war Panthers and Tiger II's with Green and Red Oxide Primer camouflage with a bit of panzer Yellow thrown in for good measure. In November of 1944 the Germans changed the base coat from Dunklegelb to Olivgrun RAL 6003 as the standard AFV color so you can see many variations of this in late late war German Tanks and AFV's. I would suggest doing a google search on Berlin Tigers etc and I think you will be surprised how much info is out there on the net. I will look thrrough my refs for a few pics for you.
Cheers,
Bryan

EDIT
I found these links you might find interesting as well http://www.matadormodels.co.uk/tank_museum/xcamo_ww2germany.htm
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/camo.htm
http://www3.sympatico.ca/wmburns/Bmisc.html
panic
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Posted: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 06:26 AM UTC
Hi there,

perhaps you want to have a look on Mr Miguel Jimenez's Hunting Tiger shown at Missing-lynx. It's painted in red oxide and looks very convincing.
I don't know if external links are allowed?
Stefan


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Posted: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 - 10:04 AM UTC
Stefan,
It is okay to link to other sites. Copying pictures and posting them is frowned upon sometimes, though.

Anyway, Stephan is right about the Jadgtiger. However, I think Mig is potraying a Jadgtiger after the war, captured by the Russians as the war ended.

Link:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/german/migjag.htm

Shaun
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