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Destroyed German Tanks Question
dAnY
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Lisboa, Portugal
Joined: July 18, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 03:27 AM UTC
Hi all !!
I just started a project on a Panzer I Ausf. F from Alan. I had in mind making a destroyed/abandoned type diorama but since there are no after market interior detail sets for this particular model I came to a stand still. I've also searched the web for any resource pictures of destroyed panzer 1's and 2's but the only relevant one I found was the one shown below.

I guess, after all, I have 2 questions:

- How can I model a destroyed tank without interior detail?
- Where can i get some references to do this?

Any help would be much apreciated!
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Arizona, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:17 AM UTC
This is just something totally off the top of my head, but seeing as how it is to be destroyed, it may be possible to make a small diorama of it near a destroyed building or something.
Debris from the building could possibly be used to, say fill in some of where the damage occcured and then other various minor detail sets could be used, like radio eqipment that got blown out, even weapons maybe. I think that being near a building would be the best thing to do overall and you can use your imagination with it. Maybe there was a tarp over the building and that could be incorporated in there somewhere to make cover up some of the inside or just something like that.
Also, seeing as how you want to model a baby tiger here, I think that you could have it upside down. I mean the tank was small enough that if an explosive charge was powerful enough, it would have just flipped up in the air and landed up side down with the turret laying near it or something. I think it'd be cool to see that with like some Russians passing by or something like that.

Hope that helps some how.

RC

PS, as far as reference, I have no idea what to recommend...Maybe like an osprey book. I think that they have a book about the Pz I and II that that could perhaps be a little insightful and led to possibly better references.
ShermiesRule
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Michigan, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:39 AM UTC
Blow the wheels and track off without opening the insides
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:52 AM UTC
Ola Dany

Well as for destroyed abandonned tanks there are several ways of showing that. IN most cases it is not really neccessary to have all hatches open and having an engine bay in the open.
A vehicle that ran on a mine with only a few roadwheels being blown off and tracks scattered all around the place you could imagine the Crew climbing out to see what the damage is or in a bad case climbing out frantically and running away in fright of the vehicle blowing up.
A vehicle with a broken track is quite evident it is not going anywhere and having repair stuff around it like a jack and tools together with some cloths while the vehicle is surrounded by allied soldiers quite quickly makes evident the crew ran away from the vehicle.
Having the vehicle slid in a ditch in such a way it impossibly can get out is also a good example of a not working vehicle. You could always make it with a broken track. Which was quite common practice in those days. One wrong turn and you would have to jack it up and repair the track.
Thin a area on the inside of your vehicle (somewhere on the side just above the fender) and punch from the outside on that area with a sharp exacto. Punching through it leaves you with a quite good representation of a hit from a small AT gun. Having the crew hatches open with burnmarks around those hatchopenings also make evident the thing isn`t working anymore.

I can name a great list of things that you can use to show an abandonned and derelict but it is far more fun to let you discover it yourself.

Ripster
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Wien, Austria
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 04:56 AM UTC
Try taking a look at this eBay link I came across. Stacks of panzer photos, for example:

dAnY
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Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 05:19 AM UTC
Thanks a lot guys!!
I think I'm gonna go with the blown wheels-n-tracks deal plus a muddy field where I can sink some less detailed parts.



The up-side down idea just seams a bit too drastic but thanks anyway.
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Wales, United Kingdom
Joined: April 09, 2005
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Posted: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 - 08:23 AM UTC
Hello,
Ive considered doing a model of a destroyed panzer, they look very interesting when done. I;ve considered a burnt out tank. I going to a scrap yard to take a few pics of part burnt cars to see how the paint reacts + the metal rusts.

There quite a few aftermarket parts available now for burnt out tank wheels - (the rubber goes to a whitish grey powder).

I wish I could help other than that!.

Good luck with it.
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