I'm thinking of building a SdKfz. 251/2 or a 251/10.
I already have Tamiya's 3.7cm Pak 35/36. At the back of the box it says to match it with their 251/1 kit. But the period pictures of the 251/10 I've seen
so far are are the Ausf A or B variants. Tamiyas SdKfz. is an Ausf. C.
Would it still be possible to still continue with Tamiyas Ausf. C?
And about the 251/2, anybody done this before? How did they mount the mortar plate on the deck? What other modification do I have to do?
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Info on SdKfz. 251/10 or 251/2
mondo
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 06:21 AM UTC
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 07:18 AM UTC
The 251/10 also appeared on C chassis (may also even have been built on D chassis), as it was a platoon commanders vehicle. The Tamiya instructions just get you to mount it in place of the forward MG, they provide a block, & you just put the gun & shield on it. However, theproblem is that later Pak36s mounted on 251s used a smaller "half-shield" that just protected the gunner, the profile with the full shield is very high. You can see photos of the half shield in period pictures, it's very similar to that on the Panzerbusche 41. I'm sure it's available from an AM producer, but probably wouldn't be too difficult to scratch. Very late vehicles dispensed with the shield completely.
As regards the 251/2, the base plate wasn't used in the vehicle, there was a mount welded or formed in the floor for the tube of the mortar, so it could be fired in situ, though the intention was that it was fired from the ground outside the vehicle. The base plate was either stowed inside or just hung on the side of the vehicle.
Frankly, unless you already have the half track also, I'd recommend getting either a Dragon or AFV Club vehicle instead, they are far superior as the Tamiya Ausf C kit is now 30 odd years old!
As regards the 251/2, the base plate wasn't used in the vehicle, there was a mount welded or formed in the floor for the tube of the mortar, so it could be fired in situ, though the intention was that it was fired from the ground outside the vehicle. The base plate was either stowed inside or just hung on the side of the vehicle.
Frankly, unless you already have the half track also, I'd recommend getting either a Dragon or AFV Club vehicle instead, they are far superior as the Tamiya Ausf C kit is now 30 odd years old!
mondo
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 05:43 PM UTC
Thanks for the info man. This helps a lot. DML is not available in our locality and I've just finished paying of my MC bills. I don't want to start ordering with it for the next few months.
Besides, the Tamiya just cost US$10 here. Plus the Pak just cost me a little over $5.
Besides, the Tamiya just cost US$10 here. Plus the Pak just cost me a little over $5.
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Posted: Monday, June 27, 2005 - 12:15 AM UTC
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Frankly, unless you already have the half track also, I'd recommend getting either a Dragon or AFV Club vehicle instead, they are far superior as the Tamiya Ausf C kit is now 30 odd years old!
Both the Tamiya 251s and 3.7cm Paks are nothing close to any kind of modern standard. Frankly you are going to end up with the most frustrating of exercises. There is no way you can avoid spending a fortune on AM parts which, in the final analysis, it would be a damn sight cheaper biting he bullet and going for a modern (and accurate) kit....
From what i've heard, although DML isn't available where you live, it is certainly available in Philiipines, and from what I can gather at a VERY reasonable price....Jim
mondo
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Posted: Monday, June 27, 2005 - 01:41 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextFrankly, unless you already have the half track also, I'd recommend getting either a Dragon or AFV Club vehicle instead, they are far superior as the Tamiya Ausf C kit is now 30 odd years old!
Both the Tamiya 251s and 3.7cm Paks are nothing close to any kind of modern standard. Frankly you are going to end up with the most frustrating of exercises. There is no way you can avoid spending a fortune on AM parts which, in the final analysis, it would be a damn sight cheaper biting he bullet and going for a modern (and accurate) kit....
From what i've heard, although DML isn't available where you live, it is certainly available in Philiipines, and from what I can gather at a VERY reasonable price....Jim
I'm a citizen of the Philippines. I live in Saudi Arabia. I'm headed for the US again by the end of July. Probably could buy from there.
Cheers,