We had a large discussion here in my contry about few things, no i wont bother with details im just gonna give you 2 pics and ask questions under each one. Please spare a minute to respond.

Picture 1


Picture 2




QUESTONS!

Q1: Scene on picture 1 is:

a) Diorama
b) Vignette
(please write short line why you ansvered a or b)

Q2: Scene on picture 2 is:

a) Diorama
b) Vignette
(please write short line why you ansvered a or b)


THANKS in advance
Mirko

Well i dont care what IPMS or other definitions are for whats a dio or a vigniette. But to my 25 + years of modelling what has a tank in it its usually a diorama, especially if its some biigger than a base to display the model and has some figures in it and some sort of groundwork. IN my OWN definition a vigniette is usually a scene with some figures and maybe a softscene.
But in terms of a model contest or a comparing the 2 pictures u show us here are either both vigniettes or both dios. They have almost same elements and philosophy, a small scene around a tank. So i think i answered .!!!!!

hi Mirko,
this problem and arguements happen in many modelling contests, if the organization commitee doesnt tell about the rules before contest. some categorize it in the dimensions of the base, some in the amount of the models or some in telling a story or etc.
my personel opinion is both are dioramas...telling a story, having more than 2 figures and having a vehicle.

best regards

P.S:I believe IPMS rules must be valid for all contests,so modelers will not have hesitations in different contests.

Picture 1-Diorama

Picture 2-Diorama

They both show a story, they both have scenic effects, both have figures, and both have a vehicle, diorama to me, and to IPMS.
Cheers

Hi Mirko
For me both are dioramas because do not show one main object/subject (figure or vehicle).
If you have figure and tank but as a background, figure is the main object you want to show and the rest is only to expose your figure more atractive (the same with tank placed on piece of road or other ground) then you have vignette.
In my opinion this is the diffirence but of course not in all cases you can just say if this dio or vingette.

In my opinion one tells a story and 1 is a scene within a story take tke tank out of the second and you have a vignette but the first involves the tank and commander
that is where they differ 1st one includes the tank so is Diorama- The second uses the tank as a backdrop and the story is with the people so a Vignette
I dont agree and believe figures only for vignet with animal and dioramas are for tanks but hey I see 8 120mm figs in Dioramas and a tank driving down a range in vignettes- I do mine with figs bcause I do figs but someone who does tanks well would want to use the vehicle- no answers just differt points of view -none wrong just different
ian

I agree, they are both dios.

IMHO a diorama is any scene that contains a vehicle, therefore both of these are dioramas. A vignette contains between 1 and 5 figures.

Rudi

In my opinion,
a) Diorama: it has both a tank and some figures and it depicts a scene, it tells a story happening in a resonable big amount of space!
b) Diorama: It also has a tank and some figures, it depicts a scene, it tells a story also happenning in a resonable big amount of space!
Cheers and happy modelling!
Prato

I agree with the others; they both are dioramas..

dio x2

Both are dios by just about all contest rules I've been to in over 25 years, IPMS rules, AMPS rules and independent rules. In both cases, you have clear , though simple, story lines happening.
Take the tanks out of each and you have vignettes.

Dios they both be!

Diorama x2. "Q"

I will refrain from this debate..... :-) :-) :-) :-)
But both are very nicely finished and displayed.......

They are all dioramas.
Vinteges are mostly just 1-4 figures in the Indiana IPMS Rule book i believe.

First off, let me say that these two pieces are very nice indeed, love the t34, great stuff!

Boy, this could be interpereted any way, rules seem to differ at each contest/show, these could be interpereted as vigs, as they have less than five figures. Some places will do two types of categories, single vehicle dio and multi vehicle dio. I entered in a dio, that had one vehicle, and 5 figs, and it qualified as a vig., so it may be up to the show committee to decide. My thought is that these two are vigs..and they look cool!

Since this seems to be for a contest of some kind, else what difference would it make, it would have to be up to the stated rules of the contest, wouldn't it? Personally I go with the idea of if it has a vehicle in it it's a diorama, if it's just figures it's a vignette. So both Dios to me.

If it was a contest, I would answer :"Both are dioramas", but to be honest with ya all, I don't care about how they are called. Like our good old and wise friend Shakespeare said..."What's in a name".

I think you should change the question into :

Q: Scene on the picture 1 is:

a) Diorama
b) Vignette
c) a very nice result of a great hobby

and my answer would be C !

Both dios.

Both Dio's!
A Vignette is like several figures???
Ron

I would say both dios. I might be wrong, but I've always considered a vignette as a small setting with a minimum of scenery, etc., the purpose being to focus on and showcase 1 or 2 figs or a vehicle. Again, that's the way I've always approached it when planning a build. Also, I'm not up on any contest rules, but both of these look like winners in any category.

Art

Hi Mirko, I see two dio's. I have been in two IPMS contests and have never ran into weird rules yet. With this and Lestweforgets problems he had with documentation in AUS I dont know what to think. Kevin

Hi Mirko,

I don't know what the criteria may be for different contests but in my opinion, in regards to composition, I see both as vignettes.

Pic 1 Soldiers discussing something with a tankman.

Pic 2 Soldiers having a meal beside a tank.

To make them dioramas, the description might read:

A tank commander discusses the situation with soldiers while ammo is being loaded and troops set up a machine gun.

Soldiers eat a meal while others hang laundry and clean weapons.


They are both telling one story as compared to a diorama where multiple points of action are competing for attention.

Interesting point of discussion.
Mike