Ola people,
Have somebody good pictures of a Hornisse/Nashorn??
Mainly pics of the 88mm gun.
Thanks.
Greetz Hilbert
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HILBERT
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 10:07 PM UTC
mossieramm
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Posted: Sunday, June 26, 2005 - 11:35 PM UTC
There are some here , but not specificly of the 88.
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Posted: Monday, June 27, 2005 - 07:08 AM UTC
heres a couple :
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Posted: Monday, June 27, 2005 - 07:48 AM UTC
http://www.tanxheaven.com/dir/pak43-41-88mm-atgun/pak43-41-88mmatgdir.htm
Here are a few. Look for other pictures of the Pak 43/41.
Here are a few. Look for other pictures of the Pak 43/41.
HILBERT
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Posted: Monday, June 27, 2005 - 08:23 AM UTC
Thanks for the great pics.
Now I'm getting tired for searching for a good pics of a canvas.
Inside and Outside.
Don't matter if it is from a halftrack or something, but as I can see how it just fit in the vehicle.
But from a Nashorn is the best ofcourse.
Greetz Hilbert
Now I'm getting tired for searching for a good pics of a canvas.
Inside and Outside.
Don't matter if it is from a halftrack or something, but as I can see how it just fit in the vehicle.
But from a Nashorn is the best ofcourse.
Greetz Hilbert
ekke
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Posted: Monday, June 27, 2005 - 08:49 AM UTC
Nashorn:
Canvas of a Marder:
hope this helps
Canvas of a Marder:
hope this helps
HILBERT
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 02:45 AM UTC
Did those canvas caps really used by a Hornisse crew?
So I can make a frame from wire and then make a cap from milliput??
Greetz HIlbert.
So I can make a frame from wire and then make a cap from milliput??
Greetz HIlbert.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 04:09 AM UTC
Hilbert,
if you can get it (and it should still be available), the Nuts&Bolts volume about the Hornisse is about perfect...
Harm
if you can get it (and it should still be available), the Nuts&Bolts volume about the Hornisse is about perfect...
Harm
ekke
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 07:15 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Did those canvas caps really used by a Hornisse crew?
So I can make a frame from wire and then make a cap from milliput??
Greetz HIlbert.
No, no, no! :-)
The Hornisse/Hummel didn't have an additional Frame on top of the superstructure, and no the cap in the picture was not used for Hornissen or Hummeln!
In your last post you wrote you wanted some pics of canvasses, no matter if they are on halftracks or anything else, sothis is just a picture that shows how canvasses in general could have been fitted to the armor plates of the fighting compartement.
sorry that you understood me wrong,
ekke
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 08:02 AM UTC
How would you explain this pic??
At the top of the lays a canvas, or something like a blanket.
or is that just a atachment of the crew?
Greetz Hilbert.
Ps Ekke no I didn't understand you... :-)
At the top of the lays a canvas, or something like a blanket.
or is that just a atachment of the crew?
Greetz Hilbert.
Ps Ekke no I didn't understand you... :-)
FAUST
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 08:05 AM UTC
http://www.wwiivehicles.com/germany/tank_hunters/nashorn/nashorn_01.jpg
Pic doesn`t seem to work but the link hopefully does
Pic doesn`t seem to work but the link hopefully does
FAUST
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Quoted Text
The Hornisse/Hummel didn't have an additional Frame on top of the superstructure, and no the cap in the picture was not used for Hornissen or Hummeln!
This is not true. And with some common sense you could come to the same conclusion. Every open topped vehicle had a sort of canvas cover. I have seen several pics of Hummels with a sort of Canvas top. Otherwise the crew would get wet when it rained and they could get out the pumps to get rid of all the water. Not to mention what happens with snow. You don`t want to dig out the crew compartiment firts before you can use the vehicle.
Look at this picture from Achtung Panzer:
Look behind the crew you see a rod going into a sort of pyramid shape. This is a bar to hold up the canvas cover. An extract from text of the same site tells you this: (Line 10)
Quoted Text
In the early 1944, the arrangement of the driver front plate was changed during production and gun was changed to newer the 88mm Pak 43/1 L/71, creating two different models. On February 24th (or 27th) of 1944, by Hitler's order, second never model was named Nashorn (Rhinoceros). Hornisse and Nashorn were almost identical with the only difference being the driver front plate and gun version (unnoticeable). Despite their inadequate armor protection, they both provided the much needed mobility for the long-barreled 88mm anti-tank gun. Limited space provided in the fighting compartment allowed storage space for only 24 to 40 rounds. Hornisse and Nashorn's crew traveled in an open-top fighting compartment with all its weather-related disadvantages. Protection against the weather could be provided by canvas covers. Both models lacked a machine gun in the hull, so single MG34 or MG42 was carried inside the fighting compartment for local defense. From February of 1943 to March of 1945, only 474 Nashorns and 20 Hornisses were produced. Both models were designed by Alkett and produced by Deutsche Eisenwerke in Tieplitz-Schonau.
Full link can be found here
Another example of the rods for the canvas top
if pic doesn`t work check here
And
Pic not working? check here
No pics of the cover itself but a confirmation and some pics of rods to hold it up.
FAUST
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Posted: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 - 08:47 PM UTC
Ola Hilbert
This was posted this night. By DBusack from Primeportal. A walkaround of a Hummel with... a canvas top. I don`t think it is the original but more likely a replica but besides that it is exactly the canvas cover as it can also be found in the Nuts and Bolt book of the Hummel. I know that from the little peak I had inside the Hornisse book from Nuts and Bolts the Canvas top was more or less the same.
here is the link
http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/glaubitz/hummel_photos.htm
This was posted this night. By DBusack from Primeportal. A walkaround of a Hummel with... a canvas top. I don`t think it is the original but more likely a replica but besides that it is exactly the canvas cover as it can also be found in the Nuts and Bolt book of the Hummel. I know that from the little peak I had inside the Hornisse book from Nuts and Bolts the Canvas top was more or less the same.
here is the link
http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/glaubitz/hummel_photos.htm
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 02:01 AM UTC
thank tyou very much.
The only thing I go change is the bars in the vehicle.
These bars are mounted in the lenghte of the vehicle.
I build these bars in the width of the vehicle.
Greetz Hilbert
The only thing I go change is the bars in the vehicle.
These bars are mounted in the lenghte of the vehicle.
I build these bars in the width of the vehicle.
Greetz Hilbert
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 03:53 AM UTC
No more confusion please!
What I meant was: the Nashorn didn't have the (extraordinary high) canvas that is shown on a Marder in the picture I posted.
I just thougt that Hilbert had thought that this canvas was also used on Hornissen.
Sorry (once again
)
ekke
What I meant was: the Nashorn didn't have the (extraordinary high) canvas that is shown on a Marder in the picture I posted.
I just thougt that Hilbert had thought that this canvas was also used on Hornissen.
Sorry (once again
)ekke
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Posted: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 - 05:08 AM UTC
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
difficult topic...
Well I didn't think that.
I thought you meant that a hornisse have not a canvas cover during the winter period
PS Ekke I don't mind. Thanks for your help
difficult topic...
Well I didn't think that.
I thought you meant that a hornisse have not a canvas cover during the winter period
PS Ekke I don't mind. Thanks for your help
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