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Tiger and stug problem solved
PanzerKarl
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 04:58 AM UTC
I think i have solved my problem on what to have in my dio,Tiger or Stug.
So i found a solution and added both.
Hopefully the story is set in falaise just out side bacage as wittman racers to help push back the d-day landings,he runs into another panzer unit coming along the road.so the stug commander is telling the german soldier to tell wittmann to get his heap of junk out of his way :-)
The two cobble roads are a bit different but am hopeing to get away with that.There will be more marching soldiers to add about 3 or 4 more.and i may add a few having lunch in the cafe
Thats it for now just need to fill that gap in the road and paint all the remaining figures and add some tweaks here and there.
Thanks for looking and i hope you will enjoy it when its finanly done
Cheers karl
slodder
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:08 AM UTC
hmmm - personally I'm not sure...
I don't mind the 2 AFVs together. What is rubbing me the wrong way is that the cafe left edge is destroyed giving the impression that is is a continuation of a wall. The hard angle of the cross street gives the impression that the cafe edge is 'floating' and not an integral part of either building. If you angle the back wall of the cafe to match the edge of the street you'd be spot on.
The park wall section is TALL. Wow, nice, just very tall.
I don't mind the 2 AFVs together. What is rubbing me the wrong way is that the cafe left edge is destroyed giving the impression that is is a continuation of a wall. The hard angle of the cross street gives the impression that the cafe edge is 'floating' and not an integral part of either building. If you angle the back wall of the cafe to match the edge of the street you'd be spot on.
The park wall section is TALL. Wow, nice, just very tall.
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:20 AM UTC
I agree with Scott.
Looking at the overall composition I would get rid of the left part of the scene at all. It doesn't add that much extra in tension and/or atmosphere... it even kills the good composition you had before the addition of the left part.
No use to have both AFV's in one diorama. My personal opinion...use the stug in the original setting (without the addition on the left) and build a new diorama with the Tiger.
Looking at the overall composition I would get rid of the left part of the scene at all. It doesn't add that much extra in tension and/or atmosphere... it even kills the good composition you had before the addition of the left part.
No use to have both AFV's in one diorama. My personal opinion...use the stug in the original setting (without the addition on the left) and build a new diorama with the Tiger.
PanzerKarl
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:30 AM UTC
HHmm is see what you mean,but what if i added another wall part near were the tiger is just filling that small space,and my be add a side walk going towards the back.
Burik
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:37 AM UTC
Karl:
Maybe I am missing something, but what about the cut off of the building and the sidewalk? I do not think it would look so abrupt in real life. Especially the sidewalk. I would suggest taking the sidewalk around the corner, or at least giving it a finished "end cap" look on the main street, which would take another couple inches or so to pull off, and of course would then add to the length of the main street.
Plus, I think quite a bit of rubble would be needed where the Tiger is located.
Just a couple of thoughts. I love the cafe front.
Bob
Maybe I am missing something, but what about the cut off of the building and the sidewalk? I do not think it would look so abrupt in real life. Especially the sidewalk. I would suggest taking the sidewalk around the corner, or at least giving it a finished "end cap" look on the main street, which would take another couple inches or so to pull off, and of course would then add to the length of the main street.
Plus, I think quite a bit of rubble would be needed where the Tiger is located.
Just a couple of thoughts. I love the cafe front.
Bob
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:57 AM UTC
Karl, it's a perfect solution to add both AFV's.
I like the compesition of the dio, allthough I also see what the others mentioned allready.
Perhaps the solution for this is simple: you still have to add rubble and stones etc from the destroyed wall.
Mostly the streets were covered with it.
Try placing rubble so that the corner and wall is covered and see how that make it look like. Just an idea for this great dio to be!
Paul
I like the compesition of the dio, allthough I also see what the others mentioned allready.
Perhaps the solution for this is simple: you still have to add rubble and stones etc from the destroyed wall.
Mostly the streets were covered with it.
Try placing rubble so that the corner and wall is covered and see how that make it look like. Just an idea for this great dio to be!
Paul
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 07:09 AM UTC
I agree that the left edge of the cafe wall does fit the scene you are trying to create. Perhaps a pic from the right of the Tiger through the fence to the left wall of the cafe would give us a better look. From the first two pics it looks like the wall is still white.
Parks20
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 12:40 PM UTC
I gotta agree with the rest of the crows here, the entire left side just doesn't mesh right. I would lose that section and just keep the original version. Keep us posted.
moJimbo
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 01:07 PM UTC
hi karl. personally i think your dio with the tiger and stug looks great! nice composition too.
... the lower left corner seems rather 'empty'... why not put something like a broken-down kubelwagen blocking BOTH streets?
cheers
... the lower left corner seems rather 'empty'... why not put something like a broken-down kubelwagen blocking BOTH streets?
cheers
spooky6
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 05:17 PM UTC
Hi Karl. I think the whole idea looks good, but you certainly need to do some work on making the two scenes mesh better. The two different cobblestone patterns is my biggest issue and you should look at that. Maybe some rubble in that area would cover up the joint. Right now the two dios look just that -- two dios jammed one on top of the other.
lordQ
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:07 PM UTC
mmm i liked the first better.
The two cobblestone patterns are weird and i've never seen this before.Try some rubble and dird to camouflage this joint. Another thing i don't like is the building. It looks like the street (the one with the tiger on it ) runs trough the building(??).The fence is really big too. I you've ever seen a tiger tank..it's huge , and the fence is even bigger!
Q
The two cobblestone patterns are weird and i've never seen this before.Try some rubble and dird to camouflage this joint. Another thing i don't like is the building. It looks like the street (the one with the tiger on it ) runs trough the building(??).The fence is really big too. I you've ever seen a tiger tank..it's huge , and the fence is even bigger!
Q
Prato
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Posted: Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 11:26 PM UTC
Karl,
As I have siad before, the café dio with the Stug is perfect, but if you want to throw in the Tiger as well, you'll have to put the other street not at an angle but as the next part of the sreet: The café part would be either the front or the back part and the other part the back or the front! Of course you wold have to get some side walks and somethink else to occupy the parts of terrain on the left side (or not)! It's up to you to decide, but this is my opinion! It's a bit on the working side but I think it would be the best! Then you coul choose which tank you would put in front and add some infanry! It would look faboulous!
Hope I've helped you in some way!
Cheers and happy modelling!
Prato
As I have siad before, the café dio with the Stug is perfect, but if you want to throw in the Tiger as well, you'll have to put the other street not at an angle but as the next part of the sreet: The café part would be either the front or the back part and the other part the back or the front! Of course you wold have to get some side walks and somethink else to occupy the parts of terrain on the left side (or not)! It's up to you to decide, but this is my opinion! It's a bit on the working side but I think it would be the best! Then you coul choose which tank you would put in front and add some infanry! It would look faboulous!
Hope I've helped you in some way!
Cheers and happy modelling!
Prato