The Perth Military Modeler site is carrying pictures of a late 2002 release by AFV Club of the M3A3 Stuart (AF 35053). The photos are impressive. Take a look at it and the Tamiya T-55 under the new model section.
DJ
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M3A3 Stuart
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 02:25 AM UTC
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 03:24 AM UTC
Looks pretty nice! Hmm, will a new collection develop here?
Looks like the flag on the decal sheet appears to be a modern 50 star flag, not the 48 star pattern which would be appropriate to WWII.
Looks like the flag on the decal sheet appears to be a modern 50 star flag, not the 48 star pattern which would be appropriate to WWII.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 04:06 AM UTC
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Looks pretty nice! Hmm, will a new collection develop here?
Looks like the flag on the decal sheet appears to be a modern 50 star flag, not the 48 star pattern which would be appropriate to WWII.
Al--good call! I am hoping one of the Stuart experts chimes in and lets us know how accurate the model is to the real McCoy.
DJ
mj
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 05:30 AM UTC
Now that is one cool looking kit. 
Looks like another item for ol' Santa to lug to my humble abode. (:-)
Mike
Looks like another item for ol' Santa to lug to my humble abode. (:-)
Mike
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 06:00 AM UTC
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Now that is one cool looking kit.
Looks like another item for ol' Santa to lug to my humble abode. (:-)
Mike
Mike--can you comment on the accuracy as you view the photos?
DJ
mj
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 06:25 AM UTC
Hard to tell, DJ. I have no photo references available on that model, and the only comment made on the M3A3 I can find says, " Major variants were...the product-improved M3A3 (Stuart V) with a larger driving compartment, thicker armor, and no sponson guns."
That's all I got...not much.
Mike
P.S. Quote comes from "The Encyclopedia of Weapons of WWII", edited by Chris Bishop.
That's all I got...not much.
Mike
P.S. Quote comes from "The Encyclopedia of Weapons of WWII", edited by Chris Bishop.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 07:32 AM UTC
Mike--I am at my place of employment which is not to say that I am working, however, I am wondering the potential accuracy of this kit. Wow, my sophomore English teacher would kill me for that last sentence. Regardless, I am not sure that an M3A3 went to field units. I thought the M3A2 was gradually replaced in tactical units after the North African campaign by the M-5 Stuart. So, if I am correct, this hummer may have gone to Marine tactical units. In which case, they should have USMC markings in the kit. I trust that Ken (19K) will chime in and provide some ground truth.
DJ
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:11 AM UTC
dioman
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:35 AM UTC
This is exciting news to me.....as the Canadians used a lot of turretless M3A3 Stuarts during the war....I have a Kirin upper hull conversion but it's crapola......can't wait til this hits the shelf at my local hobby shop!!!
BTW.....the model looks correct as far as I can tell from pictures of it.....have to wait to see it in person to really know the true story.
BTW.....the model looks correct as far as I can tell from pictures of it.....have to wait to see it in person to really know the true story.
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 10:05 AM UTC
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This is exciting news to me.....as the Canadians used a lot of turretless M3A3 Stuarts during the war....I have a Kirin upper hull conversion but it's crapola......can't wait til this hits the shelf at my local hobby shop!!!
BTW.....the model looks correct as far as I can tell from pictures of it.....have to wait to see it in person to really know the true story.
Grant ---any idea on who used this particular model in combat?
DJ
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Posted: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 11:28 AM UTC
Not sure about with the turret on....but without a turret.....all the Canadian Armoured Reg'ts used them for recon and resupply....and I'm sure other Reg'ts would have also used them.....I used to know the man in charge of the school in Italy for training the Armoured Reg'ts on them....they were well used throughout Canada's army
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 12:44 AM UTC
Call to Ken at 19K........where were these vehicle employed as combat vehicle vice training vehicles?
thanks
DJ
thanks
DJ
m60a3
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 02:28 AM UTC
COL DJ,
I believe most of the M3A3s were used in Lend-Lease. I got this ingo from the following web page.
Pacific Wrecks
Now, if this is a wrecked M3A3 somewhere in the Pacific, I'd assume they had to see combat with U.S. forces out there.
I believe most of the M3A3s were used in Lend-Lease. I got this ingo from the following web page.
Pacific Wrecks
Now, if this is a wrecked M3A3 somewhere in the Pacific, I'd assume they had to see combat with U.S. forces out there.
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 02:48 AM UTC
I do not have any appropriate references here at work for the Stuart, but I seem to recall that the US did not issue the M3A3 to US units except possibly for stateside training. The US went from the M3A1 to the M5/M5A1, sending the M3A3 to lend-lease. The Commonwealth did, as stated elsewhere, convert a lot of them to "recce" units for teh same roll as US cavlry units used the M20 utility car.
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:05 AM UTC
whats the .com adress for perth,I scratchbuilt this little gem ,use'd the crappy kirin conversion as a template,2 firsts ,an a best canadain subject,mine has twinn .50cals ,squadren's stuart book has a couple'o good pics as well as Hunnicuts stuart bible....cheers D
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 04:02 AM UTC
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whats the .com adress for perth,I scratchbuilt this little gem ,use'd the crappy kirin conversion as a template,2 firsts ,an a best canadain subject,mine has twinn .50cals ,squadren's stuart book has a couple'o good pics as well as Hunnicuts stuart bible....cheers D
http://pmms.webace.com.au/newkitnews/afv35053.htm
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 05:06 AM UTC
Bob/Jeff--I searched all my source documents and can not find anything to suggest that the M3A3 served in combat with US units. I have photos of M3A1s in Italy and Europe even after the M5 was standard issue, but no M3A3s.....if 19K ever comes back to life I am sure he can shed some light on the subject.
DJ
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 05:53 AM UTC
I just hate being away from resources...
BTW, here's hoping an M5 and an M5A1 in the pipeline. I really want the M5 as that's what my regiment used in N. Africa and Europe.
BTW, here's hoping an M5 and an M5A1 in the pipeline. I really want the M5 as that's what my regiment used in N. Africa and Europe.
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Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 07:13 AM UTC
Sorry.....I forgot to say where they were used in combat by the Canadian Army....I have shots of the turretless M3A3 Stuart in action in Italy and France and Holland.....and I would also assume they would have been used in Germany too.
I also saw last night that Academy is coming out with another M3A1 with the extra fuel drums on the sides for you US armour builders....this is to follow up on their recent release of the "Honey".
For those of you who bought the "Honey" there is a review in the Aug/Sept Military Modelling and it points out some of the things wrong with it......only minor things.....mostly they praise it.
I also saw last night that Academy is coming out with another M3A1 with the extra fuel drums on the sides for you US armour builders....this is to follow up on their recent release of the "Honey".
For those of you who bought the "Honey" there is a review in the Aug/Sept Military Modelling and it points out some of the things wrong with it......only minor things.....mostly they praise it.
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Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 05:16 AM UTC
As far as I know all the M3A3's went to lend lease The only books I have on the Stuarts are from Osprey and the one from Concord U.S. Light Tanks,written by Steven Zaloga Some where even sent to Yugoslovia They even put a German quad 20mm flack or a pak40 a.t.gun in place of the turret Can't wait to see this out on the hobby shops
Chad #:-)
Chad #:-)
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 09:49 AM UTC
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whats the .com adress for perth,I scratchbuilt this little gem ,use'd the crappy kirin conversion as a template,2 firsts ,an a best canadain subject,mine has twinn .50cals ,squadren's stuart book has a couple'o good pics as well as Hunnicuts stuart bible....cheers D
Hi erthdogg
I believe Verlinden just released a Recce conversion for the Stuart.
Regards Ralph (:-)
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 10:15 AM UTC
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.....if 19K ever comes back to life I am sure he can shed some light on the subject.
I'm alive!
Here's the situation, I saw a picture of one being used as a stretcher carrier, somehow attached to the 4th Armor. Anyway, the book I found it in was sold the following week when I went to get it. Hmmm
I know that I posted the name of the book and the author somewhere here on site. I can't find the post. 
So, until than I cant get the book ordered and can't post the pic.So, in the meantime, I contacted a member of the "4th Armored Memorial" who in turn wrote back to me saying that he vaguely remembers one or two of the M3A3s with his unit. He said he does not think they were part of the 4th but were somehow attached. ??? He said he will contact his ole buddies to see if any of them can come up with more info or pics on this "most peculiar subject" (his words). I have not heard back from him yet but, I will send an email later this week if I don't hear from him.
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2002 - 01:44 AM UTC
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Quoted Text.....if 19K ever comes back to life I am sure he can shed some light on the subject.
I'm alive!
Here's the situation, I saw a picture of one being used as a stretcher carrier, somehow attached to the 4th Armor. Anyway, the book I found it in was sold the following week when I went to get it. Hmmm
So, in the meantime, I contacted a member of the "4th Armored Memorial" who in turn wrote back to me saying that he vaguely remembers one or two of the M3A3s with his unit. He said he does not think they were part of the 4th but were somehow attached. ??? He said he will contact his ole buddies to see if any of them can come up with more info or pics on this "most peculiar subject" (his words). I have not heard back from him yet but, I will send an email later this week if I don't hear from him.
Ken--I am just back from business travel. I am willing to bet that if the 4AD guys respond the attachment was probably from the M-18 Hellcat Tank Destroyer Battalion habitually assigned to the division. If that is correct than they probably had M3A3s. But, I am so dubious that any made their way to the ETO as to say "I don't think so." Rather, I believe the Marines used them in the Pacific. However, I have yet to find any comvincing evidence of their presence in the Pacific. Be interested to fid out what these guys tell you.
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2002 - 03:12 AM UTC
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Be interested to fid out what these guys tell you.
thanks
DJ
It most certainly will be DJ. I can't wait. Although something tells me they were not there...hmmm.
As far as the PTO, here's one as used by the Chinese 1st Provisional Tank Group:
Now to find one used by U.S. troops...
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Posted: Monday, October 28, 2002 - 03:39 AM UTC
Ken---good find. Does anyone out there have the Hunnicut "Stuart" book? I assume that will provide the response that will put my weary question to rest. 
thanks
DJ
thanks
DJ
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