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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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panzer colours in kursk 1943
moJimbo
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 02:37 AM UTC
...i plan to build a DML Panzer III befelswagen ausf.K in the Kursk battle. the instructions showed the tank in Pz. Grey colour.

the question is: did the germans still use panzer grey (instead of dark yellow) in time of Kursk?
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 02:57 AM UTC
Yes, they did use panzer grey still.
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:04 AM UTC
No expert here but I think they were using a mix of both. Again, by no means an expert.

Shaun
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:11 AM UTC
http://bsdi.usppp.com/wwiiscalemodels/schemes/panzertarnung.html

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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:17 AM UTC
I must warn you, that several of thedrawings shown above are wrong. For example, the Germans used a 1/3 overspray of Dunkelbraun over the Dunkelgrau until 1940-06-12.

After 1943-02-18, it was ordered that the German vehicles should be painted in a Dunkelgelb base, with overspray of Olivgrün and Rotbraun, however it is plausible that the Germans still had some vehicles in Dunkelgrau in the summer of 1943.

For more information, go to my article about German Panzer camouflage.
moJimbo
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 03:19 AM UTC
thanks for the replies. yeah, guess i'll go ahead with the pz. grey. actually i want to put a grey PZ. III with a dark yelow SDkfz 251 in a small dio.... would the mixed colour of vehicles look .. err.. 'correct'?

..ChrAnkItUp and hilbert, thanks for the links

cheers.



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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 07:14 AM UTC
It is plausible that some tanks were still left in their original grey but by that time many of the grey vehicles had gotten at least a camo of dark yellow over the grey ...which makes for some interesting camo patterns for this transition period.

just an example


Rick
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 07:59 AM UTC
I've seen pictures of vehicles with a Yellow undercoat and Gray ontop.
here is some boxart on one of the DML models

ChrAnkItUp
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 08:36 AM UTC
No Panzers had a Dunkelgelb base with Dunkelgrau on top. It is mostlikely either Rotbraun or Olivgrün.
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 09:07 AM UTC
Christian I'm sorry to disagree but there are quite a few picture of vehicles in early 43 with yellow over the dark grey ..just one well documented tiger is from Das Reich #812 TIKI... if you want a picture I can find it for you ...

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ChrAnkItUp
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 09:31 AM UTC
I agree, but as I wrote, there were no Panzers with a Dunkelgelb base with Dunkelgrau on top.
thebear
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 09:37 AM UTC
D'OH! well there I agree completely with you ...sorry for the mix up!! I should read the answer better before replying ..

Rick
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 09:58 AM UTC
No problem
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 11:48 AM UTC
I don't think you can go wrong which ever way you paint it moJimbo.

ChrAnkItUp
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Posted: Saturday, August 06, 2005 - 11:57 AM UTC
Put another way; either way, someone will nitpick over it
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Posted: Sunday, August 07, 2005 - 12:45 PM UTC
hey, thanks for all the replies fellas... i guess everything becomes clear now.

ta.
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