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M113A3 + IRAQ = Devasatation
pottz88
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 07:56 PM UTC
Thought you blokes might like this image. I love all varients of the M113 but gee...glad I was'nt in this one.
blaster76
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 08:06 PM UTC
That might be one that was destroyed in place. I know we did that to one of our M1a1's
SSG_Q
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Posted: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 - 09:57 PM UTC
To support blaster's theory, most of the evidence you need is lookin gright at you. There is no evidence of a blast (outwardly blown armor) all road wheels are intact, track is intact, melting of the aluminum plate seems to fall to the center, and there is no disruption or discoloration of the surrounding area. But one can note that the suspension has given way, probably due to the floor melting away.
Jacques
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 02:37 AM UTC
1. I think it was drug/dragged over to werar it is. Look to the right rear, looks like drag marks.
2. If it had burned this badly in place, wouldn't it have had some effect onthe surrounding ground? Looks too clean for it to have burned onthe spot.
3. IED's are not the only M113 killer...maybe RPG's, overheated engine/fuel leak/molotov cocktail, or HMG fire?
2. If it had burned this badly in place, wouldn't it have had some effect onthe surrounding ground? Looks too clean for it to have burned onthe spot.
3. IED's are not the only M113 killer...maybe RPG's, overheated engine/fuel leak/molotov cocktail, or HMG fire?
Vodnik
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 02:46 AM UTC
Here is the other photo:
Sabot
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 02:57 AM UTC
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Doubtful it was dragged. No evidence of a towing vehicle's track marks in front of the vehicle if it was towed forward and no drag marks in front of the vehicle if it was towed from the rear.1. I think it was drug/dragged over to werar it is. Look to the right rear, looks like drag marks.
2. If it had burned this badly in place, wouldn't it have had some effect onthe surrounding ground? Looks too clean for it to have burned onthe spot.
3. IED's are not the only M113 killer...maybe RPG's, overheated engine/fuel leak/molotov cocktail, or HMG fire?
I would surmise that it caught fire, the crew evacuated and the vehicle burned in place. The fire went out before the suspension burned out and that is why the ground is not charred.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 03:54 AM UTC
I drove by this exact vehicle in Iraq on 2 April '03. It was north of Karbala. It was an Engineer M113A3 that was in the process of clearing a mine field when it as hit by RPG fire. It was a catastrophic kill with a hit to the front slope and subsequent engine fire. I believe the crew all survived. It is in the same place that it was hit, not drug there or moved there. It is covered in dust due to it being in the middle of the main road that all the rest of 3ID drove along, subsequently kicking up lots of dust and covering the vehicle.
SSG_Q
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Posted: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 - 05:45 AM UTC
And there you have it Ladies and Gentlemen...LOL. I assume this happend during the foward push, and that's why the hulk had not been recovered. While I was in Fallujah with the 82d, any units equipment was recovered. We even secured a UH-60 site (while soaked and freeezing) so as to deny the insurgents any trophies or equipment that might be useful.
jazza
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2005 - 06:20 PM UTC
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And there you have it Ladies and Gentlemen...LOL. I assume this happend during the foward push, and that's why the hulk had not been recovered. While I was in Fallujah with the 82d, any units equipment was recovered. We even secured a UH-60 site (while soaked and freeezing) so as to deny the insurgents any trophies or equipment that might be useful.
Thats probably the fun part about the job isnt it? Being able to blow up something and know that no one is going to get hurt.
I was a combat engineer and was trained in explosives and boy did i enjoy every minute of it. The kid inside you takes over where you just want to blow everything up.
2CAVTrooper
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Posted: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 06:41 AM UTC
Dang.
Being a vehicle used by engineers, it must have been carrying demo charges because an RPG hit to the engine doesn't do that sort of damage unless the explosives inside cook off.
Note what's left of the right side is laying on it's side (piece standing straight up is the upper threshold over the ramp)
Being a vehicle used by engineers, it must have been carrying demo charges because an RPG hit to the engine doesn't do that sort of damage unless the explosives inside cook off.
Note what's left of the right side is laying on it's side (piece standing straight up is the upper threshold over the ramp)
dexter059
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Posted: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 07:10 AM UTC
Really hope that the crew got the chance to get out of the hell that become the vehicle..Iīve been in a couple of fire emergencies aboard ships as DCA and itīs not a good time....
best regards
best regards
salt6
Joined: February 17, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 - 01:33 PM UTC
We had an infantry 113 catch fire in Korea due to a fuel leak in the hull. Burned out pretty good, and the basic load of ammo made for a night of excitement.
SB
SB
BomTek
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Posted: Thursday, November 10, 2005 - 09:43 AM UTC
[/quote]
Thats probably the fun part about the job isnt it? Being able to blow up something and know that no one is going to get hurt. [/quote]
[/quote]The kid inside you takes over where you just want to blow everything up. [/quote]
There's nothing like a shot hole that's 15m across and 20m deep after a 6000kg shot.
Thats probably the fun part about the job isnt it? Being able to blow up something and know that no one is going to get hurt. [/quote]
[/quote]The kid inside you takes over where you just want to blow everything up.
[/quote]There's nothing like a shot hole that's 15m across and 20m deep after a 6000kg shot.
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