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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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insolitus
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Goteborgs och Bohus, Sweden
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Posted: Friday, August 26, 2005 - 11:54 PM UTC
I´m for the moment building Dragons Panther A Late type which should have one track blown apart as result from a sticky bomb (Saving Privat Ryan) or something like that. So far I´ve done it like this:




Does this look ok?
Do I have to show some other damage to the wheels and tracks than make them a bit sooty (right word?)?

On one place there is a hole in a weld line:

Should it be filled or what is it?

Is this a light or reflex or something, should it be red and glossy perhaps?

And do I need some wire to the headlight?

Someody know what this box is?


One other wierd thing is these nuts in the front:

In the drawing they are turned to face the front, but on the box picture and the built model in the drawing they are turned up wards like on this picture. I guess the latest is right?

Finally, anybody who think I should change something or have any other tips and ideas, please tell me! And thaks for reading!
insolitus
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 12:06 AM UTC
Oups, I forgot one thing. If anybody have pictures on a Panther with open hatches, that would be wonderful!
Cheers!
Erik67
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 12:18 AM UTC
Heisan, Andreas
I'm no Panther expert, but I know a little somthing about explosives. A "sticky bomb" attached to the side skirt of a tank will most probably blow the skirt in, and not out as you have modeled it. If you are lucky it will destroy the track and maybe the road wheel. The way you have attached the side skirt indicates an explosion from the inside and out. I think it will be a pretty good mine damage if you add some damage to the track and road wheels.

Ellers ser vogna veldig bra ut!!!

Cheers

Erik
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 12:30 AM UTC
Hey Andreas,

I think the skirt looks ok, as long as the sticky bomb was stuck to a wheel rather than the skirt....then I think maybe a wheel would be shattered...

The hole in the weld line is a drainage hole and should be there.

Don't know about the light thingy..

The "box" is actually a block of wood used when jacking the vehicle.....I think

The fender nuts are there to hold an extension fender.

Looking good so far.....I'm looking forward to seeing it progress.

Griffo
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 01:34 AM UTC
Hi the "box" is just a block of hardwood for use when jacking the vehicle, the reflector at the back should be red but being that low it would soon be caked in dust / mud.The headlight being on the glacis was wired through internally as far as i know so no wires showed.As far as i can see from culver and feist pahther in detail the wiring was only visible on ausf g, the light being mounted lower down on the fender. Will try to get some pics up or email them to you. Paul
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 02:50 AM UTC
I don't think any of your side armor would even be on if there was an explosion. If you look carefully, those sheets (in reality 5mm thick) of armor were only hung on those brackets. A branch could drag one off. They certainly would be present after an explosion strong enough to bend them. They were very flimsy.

Basically, I don't think they should be there at all. My observations... HTH
thebear
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 06:20 AM UTC
I have to agree with Roy on this one ...If I were you I would scatter the armored plates on the ground to show they were blown off by the explosion... Most of the other questions have been answered except the box art has those nuts in the right place while Dragon made the mistake on the instruction sheet.

Rick
insolitus
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 09:36 AM UTC
Thanks everybody for answers Now I know allmost everything I have to know! My thought about the sticky bomb was that it had been stuck to the track from behind and then gone in with the track so it was blown from inside the sideskirt, there´s why they are bend outwards. But now I´ll probably take most of them away and make some shattered on the ground. Sounds good if they are that thin and just hanged on.

Thenks everybody! Updates will come!
Andreas
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 10:11 AM UTC
The 'sticky bomb' in 'Saving Private Ryan' was only improvised and I have read that the Western Allies didn't use 'sticky' or magnetic mines as on the Eastern Front, making zimmerit and schuertzen useless.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:25 AM UTC
Biggles, Gammon bombs were used against armour @ Arnhem, I think they qualify as sticky bombs. They were a bag filled with explosive with a plastic cap with a fuse in it. Zimmerit was anti-magnetic, so wouldn't be a defence against sticky bombs, if anything the ridges would help them stick!
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Posted: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 - 10:51 AM UTC
in the movie wasnt the sticky bomb stuck to the wheel?
graeme
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 01:22 PM UTC
yes it was stuck to the weel and it blew the track off the top weels and imobolized it. and aparently it was in the feild manual according to tom hanks lol.

goog luck with the tank.

Graeme
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 01:33 PM UTC
Just to add a bit of reality, some crews would use heavy mechanics wire to attach the shurtzen to the hangers. This would keep them in place while bouncing around. You can always represent this with some thin copper wire!
Tank On!! Ed
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