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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 03:06 PM UTC
Where and what armored units did the 101st Airborne encounter on D-Day(give me unit names, types of unit's armor and units location on H-Hour)?



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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 03:33 PM UTC
I am at work and do not have my reference with me, but if you can find this book..........

.......it is a great reference. It gives a day by day account of each engagement and lists units involved and even lists equipment used and lost. Worth the price if you get it .

Patrick
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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 03:48 PM UTC
You will find what you need at Military History Online here

Here is a small quote from it.


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The D-D Tanks of Juno Beach

At Coursuelles, a charming village in the middle of the second beach - Juno beach - I saw a "Duplex Drive" tank exhibited near the waterfront just next to my hotel.

This tank was part of Major-General Sir Percy Hobart's 79th Armoured Division. His weird-looking specialised armour - Hobart's "Funnies" - would help the British and Canadian with the special problems and obstacles likely to confront them on the Normandy beaches.

The "Duplex Drive" is a tank which could "swim ashore" thanks to two propellors added to the main power pack.

The most important feature of this tank was a canvas screen raised by pneumatic tubes filled by compressed air bottles. With this screen raised, the Duplex Drive was protected from being overwhelmed with water and sinking as the freeboard was limited to a few inches. The tank would be launched from a landing craft with the screen raised while the commander steered course with a tiller. When it reached the shallows, the front of the screen would be lowered so that the gun could be fired. The back, however, stayed up to keep the waves off the engine.

I visited the tourist office at Coursuelles and had an interesting conversation with Anne, a charming storyteller, Anne, who told me more about the Duplex Drive exhibited in the town. It was driven into Coursuelles at 6:47 a.m. on June 6 by a Sergeant Leo Gariepy of the Canadian 6th Armoured Division.

Gariepy drove his tank from the beach straight through a house adjoining the hotel where I had spent the night. He recalls: "The German machine gunners in the dunes were absolutely stupefied to see a tank emerging from the sea. Some ran away, some just stood up in their nests and stared, mouths wide open."

Like many veterans, Leo Gariepy liked the life-style in Normandy and continued living in Coursuelles.

I drove beyond Coursuelles and stopped near a monument commemorating Juno beach. It was slightly drizzling when I walked along the beach. I thought about that June morning when the first wave came in on a fast-rising tide. The landing craft had to battle with the surf and the deadly maze of wood, steel and mines. Of the first 24 craft, only four made it back to their mother ships. Most blew up, showering advancing troops with debris blown 100 feet in the air.

Only six of the 40 Centaur tanks made it to the beach. The swimming tanks fared better but arrived after the leading infantry instead of before it.

Many on Juno that morning saw the sickening spectacle of tanks running over bodies - not just dead bodies but wounded or even uninjured men unable to hear the machine's approach above the general din. At least one tank commander thought he was running over German bodies. When he discovered that they were Canadians and that some may have been alive, he was horrified.

Despite such mishaps and a 30% loss of armoured vehicles during landing, Juno was a success. The 8th Canadian brigade succeeded in moving 11 kilometres as well as linking up with troops from Gold beach.


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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 05:42 PM UTC
Im pretty sure the 101st airborne did not encounter any armored units on dday. They ran into the 2nd ss panzer division on June 12 or 13. It is possible that they wight have run into some early war captured french tanks being used for occupation duty though.

British airborne at the Pegasus Bridge ran into the 21st pz division. The canadian infantry also encountered this unit.

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Posted: Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 06:16 PM UTC
The 101st as well as the 82nd Airborne's objectives were only to secure exit avenues from the invasion forces' beaches. The areas a few miles inland from the beaches were flooded under 2 - 3 ft of water. The paratrooper's tasks, therefore, was to capture a few bridges, roads on high ground, and a small flood control dam. They faced static and poorly equipped elements of the 91st and 709th Infantry Divs. The paratrooper's main concern was AA batteries (single and quad 20mm's), mostly static placements, but some truck or halftrack mounted. The nearest panzers was the 100th Pz Abt (not a division) composed of obsolete and captured equipment, ie: French Renault FT (from WWl!), Polish Tankettes, Renault armoured carriers, Somua and Hotchkiss light tanks; but they don't seem to have been involved in any of the fighting of the night of 5 - 6 June, or on D-day. Hope this satisfies your question. You can also look at: www.warchronicle.com/dday/utah/all_american_eagles and: www.feldgrau.com/eve44
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Posted: Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 05:45 AM UTC
I neglected to mention that 101st's drop zone was around Carentan, about 5 - 6 miles inland from Utah Beach. Their drop was really scattered and they took heavy casualties from the flak, and from landing in the flooded areas. Opposition on the ground was spotty and half-hearted by mostly low-quality infantry.
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Posted: Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 12:23 PM UTC

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I neglected to mention that 101st's drop zone was around Carentan, about 5 - 6 miles inland from Utah Beach. Their drop was really scattered and they took heavy casualties from the flak, and from landing in the flooded areas. Opposition on the ground was spotty and half-hearted by mostly low-quality infantry.



I actually saw the actual footage and compared it with the Band of Brothers movie and found that they depicted it pretty accurately.

Reviewing movies like Saving Private Ryan and the D Day episode of BoB would certainly give you a good idea.
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 09:43 AM UTC
Umm...just take it easy on Saving Private Ryan. You won't find much accuracy there, other than how tough the attack was. After all, the Germans weren't that prepared, the problem at omaha was the only way in from the beach was in a few crucial points, the cliff face was impossible to climb. Oh, to my knowedge there were no rangers on omaha, they were hitting suspected naval guns, I believe. The equipment looks pretty good, though.
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 10:28 AM UTC
actually I believe there were some rangers on omaha and it wouldn't surprise me if a bunch ended up there anyways since point du hoc was at the end of omaha beach. because of the smoke and what not men that were supposed to go to utah beach ended up at omaha. or it was members from the 29th that landed at Utah
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 12:54 PM UTC
The Ranger assault on Pointe du Hoc had the units in three groups, Forces A, B and C. Force A landed just to the east of the Pointe and did the famous climb up the cliffs. Force B approaced the Pointe from the beach West of Omaha. Force C (5th Rangers and 2 companies of 2nd Rangers) was a reserve force that was to back up either of the first two waves if needed. They waited as long as possible for the signal to land at Pointe du hoc. When none came they went towards their secondary landing zone of Dog Green. Under intense fire, they diverted to Dog White and assisted the 116th who were already ashore, and successfully pushed inland. Even by the next day, Lt Col Schneider, Force C's commander, heard no word from A or B. He organized a relieving or rescuing force of all men from the 2nd and 5th Ranger Bns along w/some from the 116ID. Tanks from 743 TB were in support. Forces A and B, after initial successes were driven back and were short on ammo and food. They held out until nightfall of Jun 7 when Schneider's task force patrols probed their way through to the trapped Rangers. Daylight of the 8th saw the actual relief and securing of the position at the Pointe.
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 12:54 PM UTC
i belive that on dead mans corner that the 101st encountered either a stug 3 or a panzer 4 im not quit sure but im pretty sure they came across some armour in that area also in st mere eglise. please correct me if im rong. i think it was part of the pnzer grenadiers not sure wich division.

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