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Dragon 3 in 1 warped hull - Dragon service
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:23 AM UTC
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I'm quite sure that ALL hulls in DML Tiger I kits are warped (or however you want to call this shape). Maybe in some it is more noticable or maybe some modelers just don't notice such minor problems. So in fact there probably are no kits with no "inward bowing".


Hi Pawel - thanks for responding
Just in case you did not read it in the post above, around half of the responses I have seen show no warping in hulls whatsoever. Also:


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1.Dragon agreed with me that the warped sides are not something they designed or planned, and consequently do not want it in the kit.

Actually Dragon Models Ltd. obviously do not agree with that. Check the link in the post above mine


That link appeared today 14 days after I raised this with Dragon, at which point they DID agree with me.


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2.According to person who contacted me, these hull sides should be vertical, and the floor horizontal.

Exactly - according to this person. Obviously this person was not fully informed about the situation and didn't officially speak for Dragon.


This person was the head of customer care Europe and had been directed to contact and update me by Dragon in China. Are you saying I should not believe him?

Brian
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:31 AM UTC

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Just in case you did not read it in the post above, around half of the responses I have seen show no warping in hulls whatsoever.

Looks like it is you who did not read my post. You saw people's posts, but have you seen their hull parts? No, and I tell you that most likely these parts are also warped, but some people just don't notice such minor problems sometimes. I have a set of AM resin wheels which are noticeably egg-shape and I consider them useless. Yet my girlfriend simply does not see this deformation. For her they are circular enough... I'm sure the same thing is true in this case.


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This person was the head of customer care Europe and had been directed to contact and update me by Dragon in China. Are you saying I should not believe him?


OK, so I agree that DML may have problems with customer care. But I still don't see a problem with the kit. Yeah, the hull is warped in the box. So what?...

Pawel
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:31 AM UTC
This is getting rediculous. What is your great crusade against this kit? We got it, you are not satisfied with it. Sounds like Dragon tried to help you out by sending you a new one. Sorry if you don't like that one as well. If it is that bad, use the Tamiya one and sell/give the Dragon one to someone who will like it and build it well. I too doubt that Dragon has some big conspiracy to screw the model builders who support them. We have seen them be very responsive to modelers and fix things in their kits when they were brought up as a ligitimate issue or problem in the past. Your whining is getting really old and I suggest to Jim to simply lock or delete this rediculous post.
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:36 AM UTC

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I have not changed my doubts as to your agenda. In the words of Shakespeare: "Methinks, he doth protest too much..." This post is little more than a whine, which may go down well with some - the rest of us are just too cynical to see it as little more than an attempt at Destructive (rather than Constructive) criticism...Jim


Jim - If you go back to the first post on this thread you will see my agenda: as promised I updated on the response from Dragon. And that was it. All futher posts were responses to requests for information, or clarification of of the events to date.

I find it odd that because I have raised an issue with a defect, people seem to think I have an agenda. From all I have seen and read in the last year, didn't Dragon make all these improvements because of the complaints from the community?

I would reiterate that if you wish to verify what I am saying about the Dragon statement, all that anyone has to do is see if they can straighten the 'inward sloping' sides with their hands. It cannot be done beacuse the floor will tear down the middle first. It most certainly cannot be done with the minimal amount of pressure applied when inserting the rear plate.

Brian
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:36 AM UTC
Come on, guys. Just drop the subject already.

I agree that this "flaw" has been blown out of proportion.

I also feel that the gentleman should not be attacked for saying what he believes to be correct. After all, no one company should become "untouchable".. I hope.

That said.. Don't you think enough has been said on the subject?
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Posted: Thursday, September 01, 2005 - 03:51 AM UTC

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all that anyone has to do is see if they can straighten the 'inward sloping' sides with their hands. It cannot be done beacuse the floor will tear down the middle first. It most certainly cannot be done with the minimal amount of pressure applied when inserting the rear plate.


Brian,

You must however remember that to build the model as intended by its designers, you don't have to straighten these sides the way you described. Yes, you are right - they cannot be straightened with your hands. But they can be and they indeed are straightened (enough to make the problem disappear) after the assembly of all other hull parts included in the kit.

And regarding the "agenda" issue. I don't think you have any agenda, but the whole "conflict" here started when people were telling you how they didn't have a problem to assemble their kits, while you were stubornly trying to convince them that there is a problem, giving measurements etc.. No, there isn't any problem. They assembled their kits just fine, what is the best proof of it. There is a part that doesn't look good in the box, but it isn't a problem that could influence the final model.

In this thread people were not saying "my hull part is straight". No, they were saying "my hull part works fine in this model, so I don't care if it is straight or not". You just tried to convince them that they have a problem, when they didn't feel like it. That's what caused the escalation of this discussion.

Pawel
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