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Future in europe?
Nitro
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:22 AM UTC
Can anyone help me with the following problem:
I'm planning to use future on my models but I don't know where to find it in europe and especially in belgium, or are there any other equivalent products on the market?
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:29 AM UTC
Future is known as Kleer in Europe and is normally available in supermarkets in the cleaning section.
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 12:36 AM UTC
Hey there. here is a web page that explains all about future and the various names its sold under around the world..

The Complete Future

In Belgium its sold as Klir or - Johnson’s “Sols Plus
according to the info on the above link.

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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 03:17 AM UTC
Thanks a lot guys. That really helped me out a lot!

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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 07:54 AM UTC
Helped me out as well Ive never used the stuff is it true it doesnt have to be thinned for airbrushing,also can you clean the A.B. with alcohol or tamyia thinners?
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 10:09 AM UTC

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is it true it doesnt have to be thinned for airbrushing,also can you clean the A.B. with alcohol or tamyia thinners?


Nope, no thinning needed ... it can airbrushed or painted straight fromthe bottle.
I clean the brush out with something called "T-röd". Its an alcohol (Ethanol) based liquid for washing tiles windows etc. It has a red colour (röd = red) and is quite cheap. Can be bought in supermarkets by the litre.
So, yesto both your questions.

Future is called Johnnsons Klar in Sweden!
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 05:05 PM UTC
BTW... what are the uses of using Future in scale modelling??
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 05:49 PM UTC
Hi all!

The use of future (Klir in France) is, in my opinion, one of the greatest discoveries in modelling! Not less!

Future allows you to:
- get transparent parts (canopies) clearer (just dip them in future).
- avoid silvering of the decals when applied on model first.
- seal decals when applied on model after decalling.
- allows the weathering wash to flow better on the model.
- can be used as wash mixed with acrylics (at least with Tamiya's)
- protects the model from dust (matt paints are dust magnets)
- a "futured" model "catches" the light more than a mattish model and is therefore more photogenic.

You can:
- airbrush it (I clean my airbrush with water, but don't wait too long for doing it)
- paint brush it (on tiny parts) with or without additional colors (only tried with Tamiya acrylics yet but I think all water based paints will do)

The only negative things about Future is that it is too liquid and you have to be carefull not to spray too much of it on the model. So you will have to do it in two or three times... Future also don't like oily surfaces... so be careful with fingerprints on your model.

That's it! If you want to make yourself an opinion, go to my website Kitbox.fr (link below) and take a look at my models... Until 2004 they aren't "futured" and from 2004 on they are! You will see the difference! Future changed my modelers life! :-)

You should at least give it a try!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 06:34 PM UTC
Guys, when you refer to 'silvering' of the decals, do you mean the decal looking shinier than the surrounding area, or do you mean that the thin transprent area surrounding the actual decal looks less than 100% transparent?

If you mean the former, does Future (never used it myself) 'blend' the decal with the surrounding matt paint? If so, why do you need to finish off with a flat coat?
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 06:56 PM UTC
Hi David!

Silvering is not when the decal appears shinier but when the transparent areas... are in fact not transparent...

Decals sometimes silver because they don't adhere to irregular matt surfaces as on smooth glossy surfaces. Future acts like a gloos varnish and the decaling is therefore easier and silvering free.

If you have already "futured" your model and you apply the decals, a further coat of future will blend them. They will have the same satin/glossy finish (it depends on how much future you spray) as the plane. To be honest, in most cases, when the decals already have a satin/glossy finish on the sheet, I don't spray a further coat of future. But some decals are matt...

If you think your model is to shiny after you "futured" it, then you will have to apply a matt coat to the entire model, decals included, so they both have the same finish as well. That's why modelers apply a matt coat at the end... I usually don't do that for the reasons I mentionned in my previous post...

Hope it's "Klear"!

Jean-Luc
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Posted: Friday, September 02, 2005 - 07:30 PM UTC
He guys! This Klears a lot for me; I gonna have a shiny Future for my models!!!:-)

Serious: I'm very happy with the link Delbert showed and the techniques mentioned by Frank and Jean-Luc.

I'm off to the supermarket!

Paul
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Posted: Saturday, September 03, 2005 - 01:49 AM UTC
Crystal clear, Jean-Luc. Thanks.
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Posted: Monday, September 05, 2005 - 01:43 AM UTC
Klear as can be too... thanks Jean-Luc... but just to be on the safe side... has there been any "side-effects", as in Klear affecting the paint job of your builds after applying it on? Like smudging the paints or stuff like that?
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