This part of my Carentan project is unfinished but, I would like to know what you all thought of the direction I am going in. The idea is to show some of the details of the wall contruction of this bombed out home. The plaster and lathe on the interior walls, and the extrior will be stucco. The gaps between the wood and the main body of the building will be filled to the edges so, everything still needs to be painted and some of the damage still completed. I will add stucco to the extrior in patches. But wanted to see what you thought of the basic construction.
Thanks,
Paul
Dioramas
Do you love dioramas & vignettes? We sure do.
Do you love dioramas & vignettes? We sure do.
Hosted by Darren Baker, Mario Matijasic
Destroyed building/opinions please
nato308
Iowa, United States
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Posted: Monday, September 05, 2005 - 06:26 AM UTC
Sticky
Vermont, United States
Joined: September 14, 2004
KitMaker: 2,220 posts
Armorama: 1,707 posts
Joined: September 14, 2004
KitMaker: 2,220 posts
Armorama: 1,707 posts
Posted: Monday, September 05, 2005 - 06:56 AM UTC
Looks great so far. What are you using for reference? I'm not sure if wood lathe was used as the base for stucko on the exterior. It may have been directly over brick, or even a wire lath. I'm not saying your wrong, I was just wondering outloud.
nato308
Iowa, United States
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Posted: Monday, September 05, 2005 - 07:08 AM UTC
Different reference photo's, personal expirence in decontruction, the movie BOB... I had been thinking of doing the wire mesh as well. Not the most accurate, as I know things are constructed diffrently in Europe that's why I was asking before I wasted any more time if I am way off base....
Paul
Paul
slodder
North Carolina, United States
Joined: February 22, 2002
KitMaker: 11,718 posts
Armorama: 7,138 posts
Joined: February 22, 2002
KitMaker: 11,718 posts
Armorama: 7,138 posts
Posted: Monday, September 05, 2005 - 07:13 AM UTC
It looks pretty convincing to this point technically. The stucco break is a bit uniform and smooth at this point - I'm sure a bit of wallpaper torn down will remove the affect.
jackhammer81
Nebraska, United States
Joined: August 12, 2003
KitMaker: 2,394 posts
Armorama: 1,695 posts
Joined: August 12, 2003
KitMaker: 2,394 posts
Armorama: 1,695 posts
Posted: Monday, September 05, 2005 - 07:46 AM UTC
From what I can see you have done a great job to this point. I have to agree with Scott though that the plaster looks a little uniform on the inside but when you paper it it should be perfect. Excellent work so far my friend. I look forward to seeing the next post. Kevin
nato308
Iowa, United States
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Posted: Monday, September 05, 2005 - 09:43 PM UTC
Thanks guys for taking a look I appreciate it. I'll post some more photo's when the walls are done.
Paul
Paul
blockhaus
Spain / Espaņa
Joined: July 04, 2003
KitMaker: 693 posts
Armorama: 682 posts
Joined: July 04, 2003
KitMaker: 693 posts
Armorama: 682 posts
Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 02:47 AM UTC
in the first place I would like to say that I don't like to correct the work of anybody. I believe that behind each piece that is exposed here there are many working hours and that this effort should be respected. Many of the houses of Carentan like those of many other places of Europe are built of stone. In their interior part they have a layer of plaster. on this layer of plaster it is applied painting or wall paper. The wooden structure that you/they have your scale model is not typical of the European house of stone, I believe that it is but characteristic of the American wooden houses.The form that has the break is not very similar to the one that can it turns when a stone wall you collapses. I believe that you should carve the borders a little so that it seemed stone.I put some pictures for if they can serve as help
best whises
Carlos
best whises
Carlos
KFMagee
Texas, United States
Joined: January 08, 2002
KitMaker: 1,586 posts
Armorama: 1,225 posts
Joined: January 08, 2002
KitMaker: 1,586 posts
Armorama: 1,225 posts
Posted: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 - 03:24 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The wooden structure that you/they have your scale model is not typical of the European house of stone, I believe that it is but characteristic of the American wooden houses.
I think that in rural areas, the stone form is common, but in many urban areas, the INTERIOR walls that seperate room from room were quite often done in wood "stud and stringer" format... then this was covered with cheese cloth (similar to gauss), and coated with paste and wall paper. This is found all over England, Belgium, and Western France. The only comment I would make from the picture above is that the stringers are thinner than the "boards" that appear to be used in your 4th picture. The third picture looks about right.... good work.
nato308
Iowa, United States
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Joined: October 23, 2003
KitMaker: 884 posts
Armorama: 609 posts
Posted: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 01:17 AM UTC
No worries gentlemen, I appreciate the input, thats why I made the post. I want to know IF I am doing it right or not. Nothing is glued in to the building at this point. It is all mounted to a thin sheet of cardboard so only time is lost if anything. I would like to hear more input or have a bettter understanding of the construction methods in France. Blockhaus is correct about most of the stone or brick buildings and confirms most of my research, but I wanted something a little different. Variety perhaps... What I am most concerned with is the interior side with the plaster and lathe is that correct? The outside can easily be converted back to stone or brick which was my first thought anyway...
ekke
Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
Joined: June 08, 2004
KitMaker: 285 posts
Armorama: 229 posts
Joined: June 08, 2004
KitMaker: 285 posts
Armorama: 229 posts
Posted: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 02:35 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The wooden structure that you/they have your scale model is not typical of the European house of stone
I definitely agree with that. Having that kind of wooden stuff on an exterior wall is not very common.
Only thinner walls in the interior of the house (that donīt carry the weight of other walls or the roof). Were sometimes made of wood, which was then coverd with a layer of straw and over this a layer of plaster.
Kouli
Wojewodztwo Mazowieckie, Poland
Joined: March 14, 2005
KitMaker: 7 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Joined: March 14, 2005
KitMaker: 7 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Posted: Friday, September 09, 2005 - 06:52 AM UTC
wood in the wall ..??? in ww2 home.?