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Making frozen puddles?
Foxy
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 09:08 PM UTC
hello,

i want to make 2 or 3 frozen puddles on a once muddy road. i first thought of doing them with window color mixed with acrylics, but tests didn't turn out that well.
any suggestions here?

slodder
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Posted: Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 11:38 PM UTC
A couple of ideas - White glue sometimes dry foggy, you could try that.
Faust created some Great ice melting parfin (wax). That would work well too.
Sticky
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Posted: Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 11:45 PM UTC
what about frosted plexi?
HONEYCUT
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Posted: Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 11:50 PM UTC
I think that paraffin wax is the go also- has that opaque look you need
Brad
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 03:28 AM UTC
any example pics around?
Mech-Maniac
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 04:26 AM UTC
Slodder mentioned Faust's parafin example, and I have to say that might be the best way to go, I believe he did an article on it, but definetly a post. Shoot him a PM or wait and see if he posts here
old-dragon
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 05:40 AM UTC
Depends on the look you want...for a muddy area the water would be dirty so I used to use a/b epoxy for the tanish color effect. A fiberglass repair kit has the greenish color epoxy resin for a grassy area or my oldtime personnal fave, clear two part casting resin{for coins and the like} for a deepish stream that one can see the bottom of{add that personnal touch by tossing a dead body{face down} in before it dries/hardens. Large frozen lakes, with a tank or something frozen in it could be done with a sheet of plexi that's been scuffed up alittle...hard part is fitting/cutting the plexi around the given piece for a tight fit{the casting epoxy is far easier there but with substancial weight}. Just calling back to my model train days for what I did for scenery...hope these help.
jazza
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 05:54 AM UTC
Im not expert in this area but i would try using the clear sealants (ones used to fill up gaps in the kitchen, bathroom etc. ) I use it quite a lot to fill up gaps around the house and find that in small lumps of it when dry, it can look like a frosted mould hill on a dio.
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 06:28 AM UTC
ive tried melted parafin wax on a vignette. looks real.

Frank
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Antwerpen, Belgium
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 06:23 PM UTC
go to my site (banner) and to the TIPS section, under diorama's there is a parafin article with pictures
Argrillion
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Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2005 - 07:42 PM UTC
Can we use some white stryrene sheets and gloss with a tint of any shades?
Foxy
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Nordrhein-Westfalen, Germany
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2005 - 06:16 AM UTC
thx for all the good tips. the result is very convincing.
is there anything to consider when buying that wax. brand, color or something like that.
slodder
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2005 - 09:02 AM UTC
I would try to get uncolored parafin. What I would look for is the base material for making candles at home. It is uncolored and unscented. It usually comes in blocks. I don't know of any brands off the top of my head. I'd stay away from color and smell.
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2005 - 10:16 AM UTC
I use a simple technique... first I dig my "hole" and then fill with clear resin tinted the color of the desired water (typically a dark muddy brown). then i take a small piece of glass and apply a thin layer of parafin wax on the bottom, which is then affixed to the surface of the puddle. I then apply "FLAT COAT" to the top of the glass and allow it to dry. Sprinke on a bit of talcom powder if you want snow as well... looks GREAT!
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Vaasa, Finland
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Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 02:07 AM UTC
Here is an idea; you know what happens when you accidentally get a drop og glue on a clear canopy for an aircraft or something. It turns white.

So why not use that to your advantage. Take a piece of plastic sheet and rub a little hobby glue on it. Press it into the ground material and cover the edges with whatever you are using as ground cover.
MadMeex
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Vaasa, Finland
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Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 02:17 AM UTC
I'll expand on jonas' suggestion, and say go with a piece of clear styrene, and put it in a sealed container w/ some superglue (cyanoacrylate)... The vapors will fog up the styrene in a bit more random pattern, but make sure you haven't touched the styrene with your fingers because you'll have a frozen puddle that looks like a fingerprint. Also, if the puddle is just a shallow little thing and it's been cold for a while, there won't be any liquid under the ice - it all freezes up making the top ice a crust over a hollow space.

My suggestions,
Mika
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Posted: Thursday, September 15, 2005 - 06:09 AM UTC
Ola Patrick

Others have already mentioned my method of ice and I have not made an article with it yet. But... I do have a Step by step of what I did while I was making the piece. Now we are talking about it it is about time I am going to finish this dio.
Here is the Step by step.
Snowball!!! start of a new dio
I think this is one of the easiest methods of creating a quite realistic ice. And most of this stuff you probably have in house already.

I hope it comes in handy

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