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Pine trees
Wezz
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 12:46 AM UTC
Hi y'all

I'm painting a Alpine tanker that I want to set into the battle of the buldge. I want to place the tanker under a pine tree, looking cover for the snow.
I've read an article here on armorama for making pine trees. But the plant that support that with it's leafs, isn't available here. So does anyone knows another one for making a pine tree?

Cheers and I'm sorry for my minimum of english

Wesley
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 01:21 AM UTC
Hey Wesley
Your worst English is better than my best Belgian
Oh, and if you go to www.trevinocircle.com/sippin/ you will find a fantastically effective technique for pines etc. Haven't attempted one myself yet, but they look great!
Brad
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 01:22 AM UTC
you will have to go to a good flowershop and ask for arspergus plants,they will have them.
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 02:04 AM UTC
Hot link to Bradley's suggested website.

Thanks Bradley, this looks like a must try...

Shaun

http://www.trevinocircle.com/sippin/
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 02:43 AM UTC
Hee Wesley!

I made my snow covered pinetrees for my Finnish Winterwar 1:35 diorama using Busch 7351 'Naturmoos'.
It's available at every good modelrailroad shop in Belgium, like Verschooten on the Eiermarkt in Antwerp.

Take a look at the results my Armorama feature: New Marching Orders.

You make little brands from the moos and stick them in balsa wood sticks, almost the same like the article you mentioned. If you are interested, I can mail you how to build the trees in Dutch language.



Paul
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 04:03 AM UTC
Try these to features for tips on pines
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/659
or
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/374

My two cents on pines is to focus on the tops. Get a nice taper all the way to the point. Study real pines and get a nice sence for how the pows get smaller and shorter as you go up higher and how they bend down.
Wezz
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 05:46 AM UTC
Hi people,

thx for the help, BUT
I made a call to my father's aunt, she has got a flowershop AND she the ones I needed!! I was so happy AND she orderd some plants for me... for free :d:d
I made some a hour ago...
and it looks like this now:



cheers
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 06:06 AM UTC
yup,that is the arspergus plant
slodder
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 06:19 AM UTC
That look s really good.
Watch the top end of the pine
Wezz
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 06:26 AM UTC
I will.
The top isn't flat anymore... So...
But it will be also done with a lot of this green nature stuff I need a fully and nicly thick christmastree
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 08:09 AM UTC
Looks great! I´ll try this too! I´m building a snow dio
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 06:06 PM UTC
Wezz,

be sure to "secure" the leaves of the Asparagus plant otherwise, after a short while, the leaves go dry and fall off.

I have experience with the dried leaves, but not on how to secure it and to prevent it from falling out.... You might wanna give that some thought !
Wezz
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 09:20 PM UTC
Danny I've secured the leaves with Glycerine. Now That I've attached the leaves at the bark, I'm thinking for securing them one more time. Just in case that. But what I need to say: I'm not satisfied with my work. I'll post a picture this afternoon and I think I'll make another tree this evening...
Wezz
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 09:40 PM UTC
Some pictures... I'm not satisfied with the result... Something tells me that's it's wrong, But I dont know what.


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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 10:37 PM UTC
Ola Wezz.....

Looks like you are onto a good start with your pine trees. And the Asparagos looks very good. but I have a couple of pointers for you considering your tree.
A. it appears to be kinda short. European Pine can grow very large
B. It`s top is looking kinda unnatural to me. It looks more like a pencil with branches. Try to get a longer more conical shape and let it run to the end in a more subtle way instead of now having a stem which is almost identical in thickness except for the top Centimeter as it suddenly becomes a conical shape there.
C. Start adding the branches a little higher up the tree. When you look at pics of pines and real pines. You will often see that the first meters (and this can be often a long end.) are only having some bare (Dead) branches. Look at the next pic and you will see what I mean. The branches start quite high up the tree.

Now I`m not an expert in pinetree-ology but I can Imagine that the canopy of the trees is blocking the sunlight so It cannot get to the lower regions of the tree. The next image also shows very good what I mean.

and this one

Lookig at pictures of can learnyou a lot of things and are a good help of trying to recreate the same effect.

I hope my information is of some use to you looking forward to see more of this.

Wezz
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Posted: Saturday, September 17, 2005 - 10:53 PM UTC
Hi Faust,
Long time no hear uh

Thx for the pictures. Those come into my recource map

The tree that I made would be one that has stand on his own for all his life... That's how the leaves start growing this low... And it still isn't an adult tree... He's small... I didn't want to go too high for this little vignette... Maybe I should add some christmasballs and some lights
roudeleiw
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 05:19 PM UTC
Hallo Wesley,

Robert has it defintely right.
You made a tree about 3-4 meters high (compared to the fig), so i think you're base diameter is too big, you need to start with smaller ones that you used and from there on automaically come out right on the top.
You need also to paint the balsa a greyish tone, the right color to use, and the contrast to the green branches is not so big.
I will follow your effort very closely , so keep us informed.
Cheers and greetings fom a neighbour
Claude
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2005 - 11:41 PM UTC
hello Wesley

I like the effect you have got, well done!

Dus
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2005 - 11:47 PM UTC
I agree the tree is s a bit short for the thickness of the trunk. The lower bows are too wide for the height too.
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