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Tank Turret Bunkers
RedHornet
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Posted: Friday, October 07, 2005 - 04:15 AM UTC
I'm just wondering if anybody can tell me where to find decent photos of the tank turret bunkers (or dug in tanks) that were/are used to guard the Sino-Russian border? I've been trying to find things on the internet but have had no success.

thanks

Scott
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Posted: Friday, October 07, 2005 - 04:19 AM UTC

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I'm just wondering if anybody can tell me where to find decent photos of the tank turret bunkers (or dug in tanks) that were/are used to guard the Sino-Russian border? I've been trying to find things on the internet but have had no success.



Funnily enough, i've been wondering PRECISELY the same thing. Don't tell me we've both been reading the same Tom Clancy novel - The Bear and the Dragon?
I would really like to hear anything you pick up...Jim
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Posted: Friday, October 07, 2005 - 05:32 AM UTC
Strange, I've just started reading the same book again.
Tom
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Posted: Friday, October 07, 2005 - 06:00 AM UTC
I have a book on the T-64 at home that looks like it was taken at a Museum in Russia. Why that pertains to Tank pillbox turrets your asking about is that their is a large box like thing behind the vechicle with a JS-3 Turret on it! I dont have a scanner, so I'll provide the title of the book its in.

Heres what I was talking about...not quite the same photo



jimbrae
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Posted: Friday, October 07, 2005 - 08:46 PM UTC
Scott, that's definitely the kind of thing that is being mentioned. Clancy made several references to (antiquated) tank turrets being used as part of the defences on the Sino-Russian border, including some talk of WW2 turrets being part of the defensive line (WW2 in this case, referring to both Sov. and German).. Now normally, i would dismiss this as the usual 'artistic license' of a fiction writer. However, Clancy does have a very good record in doing his background research for his novels, so I paid a little more attenton to this than I normally do. One fact IS clear, the Russians have never thrown anything away and they have warehouses full of obsolete equipment and ammunition. It doesn't take an enormous jump of logic to apply the same cocept to a fixed defensive line...Jim
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 02:52 AM UTC
The closest I can find is a description of an artists impression in the Osprey book on the IS-2. Which states;
"IS-3,Costal Defence Unit,Kurile Islands,1992.
Many IS-3 and T-10 tanks remain in service in the Russian far East in static defense positions.Some of these tanks are still in running condition,but many are completely dug in. This particular example was driven into an entrenchment overlooking the beaches facing Japan to act as a coastal defence pill-box.The tank was finished in a medium green colour, lighter than usual due to the fading effects of the sun, with a larger rolling pattern of medium brown sprayed over it.There were no unit markings since they would be inappropriate for this role."
I would also add that the tank lacks its anti aircraft machine gun and fuel tanks, although the supports are still in place, also the rear fenders are removed.
The main gun is at a steep angle and weathering is fairly extensive,complete with sea gull droppings! the entrenchment is as deep as the top track run and over grown with grass.
Not exactly what you were looking for but may be some help when considering the steppe of the Russian-Sino boarder.
October
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Posted: Saturday, October 08, 2005 - 07:51 AM UTC

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Heres what I was talking about...not quite the same photo






Scott,

Judging by the muzzle brake, that's a T-10 turret rather than an IS-3 turret.

Still, very cool

Olaf
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