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Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Universal Carrier
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 01:25 AM UTC
HI guys , just a few pic of my Universal Carrier , almost 99% complete , (no ariels yet)
It was built more or less OOB , but i added a few foil straps,brackets , and cabling for the ariels.
I detailed the radio (although im not 100% sure what model it was meant to represent , wireless 22 was the nearest i could find )
Replaced the kit tarp with a tissue and pva one, added a camo net over the moulded net in the camo bag.
Added a few stowage items from the spares box and thats about it.

Working on the crew right now for a dio

Any hints/advice , constructive cristism greatfully accepted as allways

Thanks Ian





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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 01:42 AM UTC
Interesting little vehicle, which Tamiya kit is it? It looks good to me, any problems building it? Would you recommend something like the Eduard PE set if you had to build another?

In your first photo, is that a gap where the front armor plate and right side plate meet?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 01:46 AM UTC
nice model!
always like to see models that not everyone is doing.
the only thing that i have noticed, was that the straps on the camo net look too wide, and that the middle of the track does not look worn.........when i was a driver on a tracked vehicle the rober wheels rubed off all rust and dirt, but it migt be different with this model.
but i like the dusty effect on it. how you do that?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 01:54 AM UTC
Its the Tamiya "forced recon" version Sabot.
Theres a new sprue in with 3 crew and extra stowage included , it went together pretty well apart from the front hull sections are a weird fit , hence the gap , which i need to correct , now i remember why i had not added the drivers mirror DOH , the gap needed filling *slaps forehead*
The tracks are awfull and if money where no object i would buy a PE set for it and replace the tracks.
I found looking at photos of the real thing , theres a lot of details such as brackets, mounts etc missing , some if which i tried to replicate with plastic card and or old pieces of PE I had in the spares box.
Oh and you have to decide before final assembly if you want to add the crew as you cant attach the front glacis plate until there sitting in place

Ian
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 01:59 AM UTC
Thanks Pavel

I see what you mean , will trim the cammo net strips and I need to do some more work on the tracks

The dust effect is a light spray of buff/earth coloured paint over the lower half of the vehicle, then I use chalk pastels to add an overall cover of dust all over the vehicle.

Ian
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 02:01 AM UTC
i will try that. did you spray any clear coat after dusting?
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 02:04 AM UTC
No clear coat as yet Pavel , im still not 100% happy with it yet , for some reason I lost interest with it half way through and ive rushed some arears just to get it finished, so in a few days time i may go back and fix a few things.

Ian
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 02:17 AM UTC
lol
i hear ya!
it happens to me too, shame but it happens.
thanks for the tip.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 04:08 AM UTC
Good looking kit. Good job on the detail. A side question, was this an American design and build or did the British develope and build it? And did the U.S. use them? Once again, a fine build.
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 05:17 AM UTC
Hi
Nice looking model. Very well done. I have no major comment, just this: The lids for the two jerrycans should be placed in the left side and not in the middle.

I tink thats that. Again: I like the model. Well painted too.

Simon
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:11 AM UTC
Very nice job. I particular like the "lived in look" you gave it wth that box of rations and what not. I think I used the exact same markings on mine, though I like yours better.

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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 06:44 AM UTC
Thanks everyone




Quoted Text

was this an American design and build or did the British develope and build it? And did the U.S. use them?


Tony it is a British design but was built under licence in the USA but known as the T16 ,
You may wish to look at this site
http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/bren.html


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The lids for the two jerrycans should be placed in the left side and not in the middle.


Whoops thank you Simon, I will correct that

With regards to the "lived in" look Rodger and Derek , I do intend to use this in a dio , with the crew at rest enjoying a ciggarette and a cup of tea :-)

Thans Ian
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 10:45 AM UTC
Ohhh btw I know this isnt very PC but does anyone have any pics of what type of ciggarettes the british where given in there rations ????

ian
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 12:58 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Interesting little vehicle, which Tamiya kit is it? It looks good to me, any problems building it? Would you recommend something like the Eduard PE set if you had to build another?

In your first photo, is that a gap where the front armor plate and right side plate meet?


PMFJI, the Eduard PE set isn't too bad -- lots of straps & hooks & clips & interior thingies .... In fact having a couple in the stash is useful for about any open top ...

Eduard # is 35364.

John
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 01:52 PM UTC

Quoted Text

was this an American design and build or did the British develope and build it? And did the U.S. use them?

Tony it is a British design but was built under licence in the USA but known as the T16 ,
You may wish to look at this site
http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/bren.html

Thans Ian


The carrier was built under license in the USA and was known as the T16 but apart from looking the same at a casual glance it is a totaly different vehicle being longer for a start.

So if you do wish to do a US one be careful to get good references first.

cheers
Cliff
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 03:24 PM UTC
Yes your right Mr Roo i didnt make that clear that it was different , a 4th roadwheel ??? to start with.


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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 05:37 PM UTC

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The carrier was built under license in the USA and was known as the T16 but apart from looking the same at a casual glance it is a totaly different vehicle being longer for a start.


Cliff,

Not to be terribly pedantic, but the T16 was a license built version of the Windsor Carrier and not the Universal Carrier. As such, it closely resembles the Windsor except that the orientation of the rear bogies is reversed from the Windsor. Apparently it improved the ride by making the T16 less bouncy.

The Americans never used the T16 and, in fact, neither the T16 nor the Windsor achieved substantial production numbers before the war ended although some some did see service in Commonwealth formations.

The Windsor Carrier was designed and built in Canada, strangely enough, in Windsor, Ontario (go figure), just across the river from Detroit.

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 01:18 PM UTC
Paul:

You say "Americans never used the T16.."

I'm pretty sure I've seen some refs or pix of T16/UC use in the Pacific -- I could be wrong 'cause it's really not my area of interest ....

If I'm right, would they have been T16 or maybe just a reverse lend-lease of UC's that were used ???

Thx in advance,
John

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Posted: Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 05:02 AM UTC

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Paul:

You say "Americans never used the T16.."

I'm pretty sure I've seen some refs or pix of T16/UC use in the Pacific -- I could be wrong 'cause it's really not my area of interest ....

If I'm right, would they have been T16 or maybe just a reverse lend-lease of UC's that were used ???

John,

Again, if what you saw were Universal Carriers, they weren't T-16s. T-16s had 4 roadwheels on the ground compared to the UCs 3 and were a much longer vehicle.

As for UC use by American forces, I believe there were some US units that used Carriers, likely not officially on their TOE, but substituted from, possibly, Australian stocks? Not my area either, but I have a vague memory of that.
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Posted: Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 01:50 PM UTC
Paul:
Thanks, I suspect they were UC's -- I'll have to go back & look some day -- I have 2 parted out Tamiya UC's that can become one complete one, with a little TLC ...

John
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