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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 05:45 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 05:53 AM UTC
Hello Sean
I can't see any pics just red crosses
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 05:59 AM UTC
Sry about that hiccup - linnks to pics sorted now
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 06:02 AM UTC
Sean
Your one up on me :-) .I have a hard with the PE tool clamps.
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 06:12 AM UTC
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I hope it doesn't look like I've wasted too much time and money on a disappointing result
Hmmm ... Maybe you would have been better off in the pub...
KIDDING...
, that looks great. I have worked with PE, and tool clamps scare the s%%% out of me.. Please don't tell me they actualy work..
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Looks good so far, looking forward to the turret, and some paint.
Cheers
Henk
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Correze, France
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 06:14 AM UTC
Nice build so far. I'm just astonished by the way you attached the towing cables.
It seems unusual but you're probably right as I'm not an expert in WW2 armor.
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Napoléon
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 07:11 AM UTC
Fastening the cables like that wasn't so unusual - the idea was that it was quicker to get them into use when under fire. here are a couple of reference pics.
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England - North, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 07:25 AM UTC
Yes mate, as does the 20 ton jack - turn the handle and it lifts the tank! :-) :-)
No mate, they don't work, but once I'd had 2 or 3 goes they weren't too bad - I used a ceramic tile for cutting, and then held them with masking tape while I manipulated then with the tips of two scalpels for folding. This was how I formed the base for the clasp and handles. The top of the clasp I placed on my cutting mat and rubbed with the tip of my tweezers to curve it. then just a pin head sized blob of super glue gel to hold the clasp down.
The hardest bit was working with the cables - the metal was very stiff and therefore difficult to form. Next time I'll use some thread, I think.
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Wales, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 07:59 AM UTC
Hey Sean,
if that is you "ruining" a tank, i would love to see one you get right
That is some very good PE work, and the cables look just right as well. One thing i have found, is that the PE zimm does not have as good a look as putty zimm does, what do you think?
Regards from the Swamp
Hawkeye
Belgium
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 08:47 AM UTC
Nice one already. Keep us updated!!!
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:04 AM UTC
I like the PE parts you added. I dont know why but somehow not enough credit is given to adding these PE parts once its painted as to the untrained eye, they all look like its OOTB.
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:15 AM UTC
Sean, nice work so far. I have never been a big fan of the PE zimmeritt, but it looks damn good on your Tiger. Nice job. How about some pics of the turret. "Q"
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:36 AM UTC
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One thing i have found, is that the PE zimm does not have as good a look as putty zimm does, what do you think?
have never been a big fan of the PE zimmeritt,
A friend of mines built the Dragon ferdinand, and used etched zimmerit. It looked Ok,but after painting, a lot of zimmerit detail was lost. He was very dissapointed and in the end up, he pulled it all off and used Atak zimmerit instead. I saw both and am of the same opinion a the quotes above.
Hopefully this works out for you though. A lot of great work here .. love the tow rope arrangement .. have not seen a tiger modelled with this before.
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 11:13 AM UTC
I've used the eduard zim for that tiger before and it works out pretty well. Just be careful while painting and give the zim a nice deep-colored wash, with several coats to make the ridges stand out.
Your cat looks great so far and the cables are really nice, your hard work really paid off.
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 11:38 AM UTC
I share your pain Sean
Although your Tiger looks great there is allways that dilema that once its painted who will see all extra money spent and all the hard work you put in.
Ive recently changed my outlook and decided that instead of spending money on extras , ii i can i will scratchbuild some parts but build mainly OOB, with the money i save i can buy another kit and the fun begins all over again
Ian
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 07:11 PM UTC
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One thing i have found, is that the PE zimm does not have as good a look as putty zimm does, what do you think?
have never been a big fan of the PE zimmeritt,
A friend of mines built the Dragon ferdinand, and used etched zimmerit. It looked Ok,but after painting, a lot of zimmerit detail was lost. He was very dissapointed and in the end up, he pulled it all off and used Atak zimmerit instead. I saw both and am of the same opinion a the quotes above.
Deciding whether or not to go with the PE zim was my biggest dilemma in the planning of the kit. During a recent trip to Bovington I had a close look at zimmerit first hand, and it made me think that a lot of zim done with putty is over scale. Using the Mk1 index finger the grooves in the zim on the 1:1 tanks were less deep than my finger is wide. So, the PE zim is, i think, more to scale and hopefully will take a decal well.
The downside is that PE zim is difficult to chip, and so this tank will have to look fairly fresh (hence the minimal denting to the exhaust covers and mud guards). You also have to pay attention to the edges of the PE zim and make sure there is no step between it and the moulded hull. If there is, fill it with putty or superglue. I was very impressed by the fit of the panels.
I do share your concerns about losing detail under the paint, especially as I like to use two coats of Klear (one before decals and one after). As noted, I'm going to have to make good use of washes and dry brushing, and be very sparing with the Klear.
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 07:21 PM UTC
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I share your pain Sean
Although your Tiger looks great there is allways that dilema that once its painted who will see all extra money spent and all the hard work you put in.
Ive recently changed my outlook and decided that instead of spending money on extras , ii i can i will scratchbuild some parts but build mainly OOB, with the money i save i can buy another kit and the fun begins all over again
Ian
Hi Ian,
I read your post in the "Modelling Skills" thread before I read this and it had already set me thinking about this build. This is my first time with PE, so I am interested to see the final result and see if all the extras are worth it to me. At the moment I think they are. I've used 5 AM sets (all triggered by picking up a cheap set of modelkastens on ebay) and the one that I think has been best value is the Aber set with all the clasps and wing nuts, etc. The tool clasps are a lot better than the studs moulded onto the tools in the kit.
I'm tempted to build the same kit again, but OOB and then compare the two. Hmm, I have a horrible feeling that thought has just planted the seeds for my first feature submission...
"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither." - Thomas Jefferson
"The right to bear arms is slightly less ludicrous than the right to arm bears." - Chris Addison
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 08:10 PM UTC
The PE work looks great! You are a braver man than me! What type of paint do you intend on using? I've heard that with PE it is best to use enamels. Do you think that this is true?
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 08:19 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 08:48 PM UTC
Hi Sean,
I'm no Axis modeler, so I can't comment on the accuracy of your build.... but it does look very nice....
You've done a nice job on the PE, very neat!
I like the dents on the exhaust covers... now lets see those fenders dinged and ripped.... in other words let SWMBO take your Tiger for a drive...
LOL :-) :-)
As for wasting your cash.... as long as you're happy with the result and learnt something from this built.... I'd hardly call it a waste of money
Rudi
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2005 - 09:10 PM UTC
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The PE work looks great! You are a braver man than me! What type of paint do you intend on using? I've heard that with PE it is best to use enamels. Do you think that this is true?
I'll mainly be using Tamiya acrylics, but I always prime my models with Halford's (That's a UK car maintenance depot, a bit like Canadian Tire, but smaller and without ammunition and body bags
) Plastic primer which is a good neutral grey colour. I have just got a can of the same in a red that looks a lot like red oxide - do I give that a go?
I am inclined to think not - I think in scale models the primer colour doesn't make a really authrntic difference to the base colour - making it look
too reddish.
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Posted: Friday, November 04, 2005 - 05:10 AM UTC
Sean, i used to use the Halfords red oxide primer, if that is the one you are referring to? I found it not as good as the grey primer, the grey seems to have better adhesion to the various different materials, plastic, resin, PE, white metal etc etc. Also i think that Halfords red oxide primer is too red, i find the best red oxide is a mix of tamiya tank hull red, and their red brown. Good luck with the painting, looking forward to seeing the finished tank!
Regards from the Swamp
Hawkeye
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Posted: Friday, November 04, 2005 - 06:59 AM UTC
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Sean, i used to use the Halfords red oxide primer, if that is the one you are referring to? I found it not as good as the grey primer, the grey seems to have better adhesion to the various different materials, plastic, resin, PE, white metal etc etc. Also i think that Halfords red oxide primer is too red, i find the best red oxide is a mix of tamiya tank hull red, and their red brown. Good luck with the painting, looking forward to seeing the finished tank!
Regards from the Swamp
Hawkeye
Hi mate. Yes - that's the one I meant - looks like I'll deifinitely be sticking to the grey one then!
I should finish the turret this weekend, so will post more pics soon
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Posted: Friday, November 04, 2005 - 07:12 AM UTC
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I'm tempted to build the same kit again, but OOB and then compare the two. Hmm, I have a horrible feeling that thought has just planted the seeds for my first feature submission...
That could be a very interesting feature, and I know I would really like to see it. By the way, nice build, and I'm looking forward to seeing more.
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2005 - 06:06 AM UTC
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